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The helmet thread

Old 01-21-13, 04:04 PM
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If it makes anyone happy, I drove out to the local forest fire roads wearing my helmet the other day.
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Originally Posted by unterhausen
If it makes anyone happy, I drove out to the local forest fire roads wearing my helmet the other day.
The only time I wore a helmet in the car was when I was racing... Were you racing? If not, well you may need some help... Oh, and I'm talking a "real" helmet not a bicycle helmet...

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Originally Posted by 350htrr
Oh, and I'm talking a "real" helmet not a bicycle helmet...
If a bicycle helmet is NOT a "real" helmet, what is it, and what is it good for? What would it take to make it "real"?
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
If a bicycle helmet is NOT a "real" helmet, what is it, and what is it good for? What would it take to make it "real"?
Oh no, the word police caught me... What I meant was a racing helmet designed for use in a race car not a bike helmet that maybe he was wearing...
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Originally Posted by 350htrr
Oh no, the word police caught me... What I meant was a racing helmet designed for use in a race car not a bike helmet that maybe he was wearing...
Yeah, funny how the "word police" catch the perpetrators of double speak and gibberish spouting.

I suppose what you meant is a real helmet designed to standards that might actually serve a real purpose in a serious crash, not meet a marketing and styling objective.

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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Yeah, funny how the "word police" catch the perpetrators of double speak and gibberish spouting.

I suppose what you meant is a real helmet designed to standards that might actually serve a real purpose in a serious crash, not meet a marketing and styling objective.
Yes, something like that... But Just because a helmet doesn't protect you from everything it doesn't mean not wearing one is better, or just as good...

EDIT; As for the double speak & gibberish, sorry, but English is not my mother tongue and sometimes what I meant to say, isn't what I actually end up saying...

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Originally Posted by 350htrr
EDIT; As for the double speak & gibberish, sorry, but English is not my mother tongue and sometimes what I meant to say, isn't what I actually end up saying...
That's a reasonable answer, no need to be sorry. Thanks for the clarification.
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Originally Posted by 350htrr
Yes, something like that... But Just because a helmet doesn't protect you from everything it doesn't mean not wearing one is better, or just as good...
I wear a cycling cap. You should too. Just because it doesn't protect you from everything doesn't mean not wearing one is just as good.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
I wear a cycling cap. You should too. Just because it doesn't protect you from everything doesn't mean not wearing one is just as good.
Yea, but if I'm going to mess up my hair, may as well wear the helmet... And yea, I still have lots of hair...

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Yeah, but then you have those ridiculous tan lines to deal with.

<edit> Oh. Right. Canadian. Never mind.

<another edit> And just because I'm balding doesn't mean I like having it pointed out. Next you'll be making fat jokes too.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Yeah, funny how the "word police" catch the perpetrators of double speak and gibberish spouting.

I suppose what you meant is a real helmet designed to standards that might actually serve a real purpose in a serious crash, not meet a marketing and styling objective.
Do you need to borrow the "Mr. Pedantic" title conferred on me...?

What he meant was a proper helmet for the proper activity. Bike helmets, as much as they are not designed to protect against serious injury, to the best of my knowledge are also not certified or tested for use in motor vehicles.

PSA: proper safety equipment for the correct activity. Which is why it's also just silly to suggest that people wear bicycle helmets while walking, showering, or climbing ladders.
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
What he meant was a proper helmet for the proper activity. Bike helmets, as much as they are not designed to protect against serious injury, to the best of my knowledge are also not certified or tested for use in motor vehicles.
Since the bicycle helmet is not designed to protect against serious injury from ANY activity, nor are they certified or tested for such protection, what is the "proper activity" for which they should be worn? And for what "proper" purpose?
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
Since the bicycle helmet is not designed to protect against serious injury from ANY activity, nor are they certified or tested for such protection, what is the "proper activity" for which they should be worn? And for what "proper" purpose?
Bicycling.

For protection from minor to moderate head injury.
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They don't so much protect from but rather may reduce the severity of injury resulting from a given impact.
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Originally Posted by Looigi
They don't so much protect from but rather may reduce the severity of injury resulting from a given impact.
Correct, they might reduce severity of injury in some instances, though evidence of any significant risk reduction for individuals or the general population is only so much speculation and compiled anecdotes.
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
Do you need to borrow the "Mr. Pedantic" title conferred on me...?

What he meant was a proper helmet for the proper activity. Bike helmets, as much as they are not designed to protect against serious injury, to the best of my knowledge are also not certified or tested for use in motor vehicles.

PSA: proper safety equipment for the correct activity. Which is why it's also just silly to suggest that people wear bicycle helmets while walking, showering, or climbing ladders.
I was going to make a snarky comeback by pointing out that special ed., brain-injured, epileptic, etc. folks often wear helmets for walking and other daily activities. Then I did some Googling for sources and discovered that most resources argue against bicycle helmets for the purpose as they aren't considered protective enough. An "Epilepsy.com" entry sums up the prevailing argument:

"Not all types of helmets offer adequate protection. Bicycle helmets are comfortable and good-looking, but they do not offer the best protection for injuries from seizure activity. Coverage is insufficient in the back and on the sides of the head. When seizures cause forward falls, they do not protect the face, and if they are not adjusted properly, they move too much."
(Bolding is mine.)

So I no longer will suggest bicycle helmets for walking, bathing, and climbing ladders, because they don't offer adequate protection for those activities. They are, however, still just fine for riding down a mountain road at 60 MPH in what amounts to a spandex Onesie.
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Someone set me straight. I think helmets can help more than hinder in cases of serious head injury.

One of the more compelling arguments against is reports from places with mandatory helmet use, where rates of serious head injury stay level before and after implementation.

However. Ridership falls where MHLs are implemented. The safety aspect being that with less riders on the road, motor vehicle drivers are less used to dealing with cyclists, and as a result there's a net loss of cycling safety.

So if it's less safe to cycle where MHLs are implemented and the serious head injury rate stays the same, doesn't it stand to reason that helmets are having a net positive effect where cycling accident induced head injuries are concerned?
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I have never agreed with the "safety in numbers" argument. I started riding long before it became popular in the U.S. and if anything I'd say that motorists treat me with less courtesy now that cyclists are everywhere.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
I was going to make a snarky comeback by pointing out that special ed., brain-injured, epileptic, etc. folks often wear helmets for walking and other daily activities. Then I did some Googling for sources and discovered that most resources argue against bicycle helmets for the purpose as they aren't considered protective enough. An "Epilepsy.com" entry sums up the prevailing argument:

"Not all types of helmets offer adequate protection. Bicycle helmets are comfortable and good-looking, but they do not offer the best protection for injuries from seizure activity. Coverage is insufficient in the back and on the sides of the head. When seizures cause forward falls, they do not protect the face, and if they are not adjusted properly, they move too much."
(Bolding is mine.)

So I no longer will suggest bicycle helmets for walking, bathing, and climbing ladders, because they don't offer adequate protection for those activities. They are, however, still just fine for riding down a mountain road at 60 MPH in what amounts to a spandex Onesie.

They do not protect the face is probably the main criteria where bicycle helmets fail in these cases... JMO Different type of protection needed, like boxing, sparing head gear works better it seems...
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The front, the sides, and the back are all fairly important parts of the head IMO.
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Originally Posted by Six jours
I have never agreed with the "safety in numbers" argument. I started riding long before it became popular in the U.S. and if anything I'd say that motorists treat me with less courtesy now that cyclists are everywhere.
Well...

You've been riding quite a while *cougholdmancough* now, and there's a lot more people on the roads now. If ridership hasn't kept pace with motorists on the road, that would support the safety in numbers hypothesis.

I'm just tossing out a couple of the favorite bare-header arguments around here. I'm willing to go along with either part -- helmets don't help with serious injury, and safety in numbers -- but not both.
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
I'm willing to go along with either part -- helmets don't help with serious injury, and safety in numbers -- but not both.
What makes you think the two different arguments/issues are related in any way with each other?
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
What makes you think the two different arguments/issues are related in any way with each other?
??? I thought I explained it pretty well...

MHL --> bike riding rates fall --> roads become less safe --> more accidents with serious head injury.

How are these not related to each other?
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
??? I thought I explained it pretty well...

MHL --> bike riding rates fall --> roads become less safe --> more accidents with serious head injury.

How are these not related to each other?
There might not be enough cyclists to have an "safety in numbers" effect generally.

It's possible that the MHL reduce the riding rates of people who rarely ride. Not in the population that gets "more serious head injury" (some of which occur to people without helmets).

It's also not clear that the reduction occurs every time with MHL nor is it clear that any reduction is permanent.
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
Well...

You've been riding quite a while *cougholdmancough* now, and there's a lot more people on the roads now. If ridership hasn't kept pace with motorists on the road, that would support the safety in numbers hypothesis.
My hypothesis is that "roadies" are A-holes who irritate pretty much everyone they come into contact with, therefore making me less safe from motorists. But that is the hypothesis of a *coughgrumpyoldmancough*, so is probably nonsense.

Originally Posted by mconlonx
I'm just tossing out a couple of the favorite bare-header arguments around here. I'm willing to go along with either part -- helmets don't help with serious injury, and safety in numbers -- but not both.
Yeah, we (bare-headers) could do ourselves a favor by not running with every hare-brained anti-helmet idea out there.
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