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The helmet thread

Old 06-05-13, 02:11 PM
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Originally Posted by RazrSkutr
This coming from a man who objected that I used too many qualifiers in my posts.

Sounds like a seeker after The Truth.

Unfortunately life is a bit more complicated than that. Best to leave other people to get on with theirs and stop selling the fear.
I was calling it out because I thought it worth commenting on -- you make the same kind of declarative statements as Meanwhile, but you qualify your statements correctly. He doesn't, not even when the study he's citing does.

The Truth is somewhere between Rydabent's views and Meanwhile's views...

Who's selling fear...?
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Originally Posted by RazrSkutr
...any questioning of the Saved is a sort of victimization by the forces of evil..
Now that's a pretty good line.
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Old 06-05-13, 07:19 PM
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Originally Posted by RazrSkutr
When you speak of "the present design" it suggests that even after all the time that you've spent on this thread you're unaware that there are multiple helmet standards to choose from.

Helmets in limited circumstances provide protection against non-brain threatening head injuries.

For the average rider in locations where they are mandated by law they also provide the ability to ride one's bicycle without being interfered with by busy bodies.

They also confer upon "the average rider" a magical safeness ( many of these average riders would have DIED without their helmets! )

It's also something not very well known, but if you read the small print that comes with your helmet you'll find it there, that possession of a helmet confers upon the wearer the right to shout at non-helmet wearers to wear a helmet, also to post in internet forums about how they're smart and responsible for wearing them. This comes with the proviso that any questioning of the Saved is a sort of victimization by the forces of evil.

Helmets also allow the suppression of mind-control waves (which are otherwise picked up by the antennae, or "hair") and enable the wearer to clearly see which of the other cyclists are Saved, or Unbelievers.
Probably more like, many of these rider would have had a major problem instead of a minor problem if they didn't wear helmets, but because they wore helmets and crashed below the threshold where helmets become useless.... They didn't die, and, also they benefited from the helmets protection...
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Why would someone shout for you to wear a helmet?
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Originally Posted by curbtender
Why would someone shout for you to wear a helmet?
................because you had earbuds in your ears ?
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Seriously thought of stopping using a helmet on my last century ride. My neck got so sore I wanted to throw the darned thing under a truck. I took it off for the last 20km and felt alot better.
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Old 06-08-13, 07:04 AM
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That wont happen if you ride a recumbent. It is one of the main reasons I have a recumbent bike and trike. On a bent you sit upright and see all around with no neck strain at all of course.
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Some folks just can't help but preach, regardless of the topic.
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Originally Posted by rydabent
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That wont happen if you ride a recumbent. It is one of the main reasons I have a recumbent bike and trike. On a bent you sit upright and see all around with no neck strain at all of course.
Problem with bents is that they are boring and serously lack control. I steer my road bike with my shoulderblades, if you can say that. Also I sprint, do fast accelerations and decelerations whilst shicaning in traffic between cars. I jump curbs, go corners on the edge of grip,
Somehow can't see that happening with a bent
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Old 06-08-13, 03:27 PM
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Originally Posted by elcruxio
Seriously thought of stopping using a helmet on my last century ride. My neck got so sore I wanted to throw the darned thing under a truck. I took it off for the last 20km and felt alot better.
Maybe you should try some neck strengthening exercises, you're a little too weak if you can't hold up the average 265 gram helmet.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Maybe you should try some neck strengthening exercises, you're a little too weak if you can't hold up the average 265 gram helmet.
Or just leave it and enjoy the cool breeze in your hair.
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Why not obligatory helmet usage by drivers?

https://www.ecoprofile.com/thread-261...r-helmets.html
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Maybe you should try some neck strengthening exercises, you're a little too weak if you can't hold up the average 265 gram helmet.
try 500 gram. I have to ask, you really think 265grams is going to do _anything_ for protection? seriously. Thats half of my helmet weight and I don't think it'll do any miracles.
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Originally Posted by Ekdog
Why not obligatory helmet usage by drivers?

https://www.ecoprofile.com/thread-261...r-helmets.html
Should be, especially anywhere there are mandatory helmet use laws for any other road users, like bicyclists and motorcyclists.

One of the best tactics to shoot down a proposed MHL during committee/public comment stages is to suggest that, if we are so concerned about head injury, we go for the real low-hanging fruit, those driving or riding in cars and trucks, which make up the vast majority of head/brain injuries in the USA. Why waste time on outlier groups like cyclists, why not go for the real issue, cars and trucks? Demand that the MHL bill be amended to include all road users. Because if we're really concerned about the social and societal cost of head/brain injury, we should also include the leading cause...
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Originally Posted by elcruxio
try 500 gram. I have to ask, you really think 265grams is going to do _anything_ for protection? seriously. Thats half of my helmet weight and I don't think it'll do any miracles.
The average mid price helmet is 265 gram range.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
The average mid price helmet is 265 gram range.
Why are you trying to discourage him from wearing a more effective helmet?
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Originally Posted by Six jours
Why are you trying to discourage him from wearing a more effective helmet?
heavier weight of a helmet does not automatically make it a safer helmet, heavier helmets are cheaper helmets due to using heavier construction cheaper materials and less venting.
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Originally Posted by elcruxio
Seriously thought of stopping using a helmet on my last century ride. My neck got so sore I wanted to throw the darned thing under a truck. I took it off for the last 20km and felt alot better.
Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Maybe you should try some neck strengthening exercises, you're a little too weak if you can't hold up the average 265 gram helmet.

There's a syndrome called Shermer's Neck named after the multi-time RAAM champion. Helmet or no helmet, neck muscles spasm after holding the head up for a long time. Over time, with more riding, the muscles get more used to the job, and most people wouldn't get Shermer's neck unless riding 10+ hours per day for a week, but some get neck spasms very easily.

Like saddle sores, or leg cramps it can happen to anybody. It helps to relax the neck by memorizing the stretch ahead and letting your head droop to where you're looking at the front wheel, or even the BB. Count a few seconds, look up check the road and repeat. (this works best when climbing).

Also take the time to stretch and flex your neck, rolling your head on your shoulders, looking right and left. Generally, learn to keep your hear moving as you ride so you don't get white line fever or Shermer's Neck.

Whether to wear a helmet on the road is your decision, and I respect it either way, but this shouldn't be a reason not to.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
heavier weight of a helmet does not automatically make it a safer helmet, heavier helmets are cheaper helmets due to using
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
heavier construction
At long last Captain Obvious has made an appearance. I was starting to doubt his existence!

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cheaper materials
Really? They don't all use incredibly cheap EPS?

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and less venting.
Jeez. Why do you bother with this thread at all? Why would you think that MORE venting was safer?

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Originally Posted by RazrSkutr
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At long last Captain Obvious has made an appearance. I was starting to doubt his existence!


Really? They don't all use incredibly cheap EPS?


Jeez. Why do you bother with this thread at all? Why would you think that MORE venting was safer?
DUH, thanks for pointing out all my errors, your the smartest guy on the forum.
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
There's a syndrome called Shermer's Neck named after the multi-time RAAM champion. Helmet or no helmet, neck muscles spasm after holding the head up for a long time. Over time, with more riding, the muscles get more used to the job, and most people wouldn't get Shermer's neck unless riding 10+ hours per day for a week, but some get neck spasms very easily.

Like saddle sores, or leg cramps it can happen to anybody. It helps to relax the neck by memorizing the stretch ahead and letting your head droop to where you're looking at the front wheel, or even the BB. Count a few seconds, look up check the road and repeat. (this works best when climbing).

Also take the time to stretch and flex your neck, rolling your head on your shoulders, looking right and left. Generally, learn to keep your hear moving as you ride so you don't get white line fever or Shermer's Neck.

Whether to wear a helmet on the road is your decision, and I respect it either way, but this shouldn't be a reason not to.

Not too many people will be riding for 10 hours plus around here, a few guys who may do a double century but most of those won't experience that. I let you know if it effects me in about 11 to 13 weeks.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
heavier weight of a helmet does not automatically make it a safer helmet, heavier helmets are cheaper helmets due to using heavier construction cheaper materials and less venting.
Which explains why motorsports helmets - you know, helmets that actually work - are so much lighter than bicycle helmets?
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Originally Posted by Six jours
Which explains why motorsports helmets - you know, helmets that actually work - are so much lighter than bicycle helmets?
Well then I guess you're the one I see riding a bicycle around with a motorcycle helmet on.
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Christ, you're bad at this.
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Christ, you're bad at this.
The A&S forum has some of the crankiest, nastiest posts here on BF. I've been is a few flamethrower threads on the mechanics side, but compared to this forum, we're a bunch of ladies having high tea.
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