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The helmet thread

Old 06-10-13, 12:07 AM
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Originally Posted by Six jours
Some folks just can't help but preach, regardless of the topic.
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Christ, you're bad at this.
........come to Jesus, my friend.

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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
heavier weight of a helmet does not automatically make it a safer helmet, heavier helmets are cheaper helmets due to using heavier construction cheaper materials and less venting.
Yes...
Well mister helmet expert. As you know I have been on this thread a while now and because of that I will naturally buy a very cheap, nobrand helmet with just one certificate because... well your logic eludes me. I have no idea why I would do that after reading every single post in this thread. I mean, come on. Your sense of superiority makes me sick

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Please check the weight. Then stop making assumptions when you're not any good at it.

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Originally Posted by Six jours
Christ, you're bad at this.
Christ never had a bicycle or a motorcycle to even worry about wearing a helmet.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Christ never had a bicycle or a motorcycle to even worry about wearing a helmet.
Romans had helmets, but Jesus heard that they might increase angular forces acting on the head during oblique strikes at speed, leading to DAI, so he preached the bare-head gospel: "Yea, be on thine way by conveyance of thine own choosing, but be unhindered by helmet or sin." -- Sheldon 5:23

Romans stuck by their helmeted ways, arguing that their hardshell helmets might indeed provide more protection in cases such as scourging and crucifixion than, say, a crown of thorns and went on to prove as much to the bare-head Jesus.
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So have we finally come to the point in the helmet thread where we ask, "What would Jesus do ?"
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
So have we finally come to the point in the helmet thread where we ask, "What would Jesus do ?"
Yeah, next will be WWBFD -- what would Ben Franklin do?.
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.....and before we leave the topic of Christ, I notice that meanwhile has arisen from the grave....

Originally Posted by John 11:25
Jesus said unto her, I am the resurrection, and the life: he that believes in me, though he were dead, yet shall he live:
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Really? So does this mean if I cross myself before every ride, and say a hail Marry, I can ride a bike with impunity without a helmet? YAY... I think the dark side is maybe tempting me...
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.........personally, I don't see how you can interpret it any other way.
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Ha, god only gives you the ability to turn the wheels, then you decide where you want to hit your head.
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
Romans stuck by their helmeted ways
And look what happened to them!
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Originally Posted by FBinNY
The A&S forum has some of the crankiest, nastiest posts here on BF. I've been is a few flamethrower threads on the mechanics side, but compared to this forum, we're a bunch of ladies having high tea.
The tone of the helmet thread is pretty much what I expect, but I was pretty surprised by my brief foray into the mechanic forum. By the time I realized I was elbow deep in a full-tilt internet ****-fight (over how to measure stem length, of all things) it was already too late for me to back out with any dignity. That was the last time I posted there...
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Originally Posted by Six jours
The tone of the helmet thread is pretty much what I expect, but I was pretty surprised by my brief foray into the mechanic forum. By the time I realized I was elbow deep in a full-tilt internet ****-fight (over how to measure stem length, of all things) it was already too late for me to back out with any dignity. That was the last time I posted there...
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
Romans had helmets, but Jesus heard that they might increase angular forces acting on the head during oblique strikes at speed, leading to DAI, so he preached the bare-head gospel: "Yea, be on thine way by conveyance of thine own choosing, but be unhindered by helmet or sin." -- Sheldon 5:23

Romans stuck by their helmeted ways, arguing that their hardshell helmets might indeed provide more protection in cases such as scourging and crucifixion than, say, a crown of thorns and went on to prove as much to the bare-head Jesus.
Therein lies a crucial point, had Jesus been wearing a helmet the crown of thorns would have done no damage. The statistics proved back then that wearing a helmet while be attacked by thorns left the head unharmed.

And they could never hail Mary, she never drove a taxi cab nor owned a phone, and besides now she's dead, you can hail her all you want and she's not going to come running. Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." He never once mentioned rendering or hailing anything to Mary.

There is also no need to cross yourself, Jesus already did that for us.
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Originally Posted by rekmeyata
Therein lies a crucial point, had Jesus been wearing a helmet the crown of thorns would have done no damage. The statistics proved back then that wearing a helmet while be attacked by thorns left the head unharmed.

And they could never hail Mary, she never drove a taxi cab nor owned a phone, and besides now she's dead, you can hail her all you want and she's not going to come running. Jesus said "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and to God the things that are God's." He never once mentioned rendering or hailing anything to Mary.

There is also no need to cross yourself, Jesus already did that for us.
You fell into a trap -- trick statement: Roman hardshell helmet would not have helped with scourging or crucifixion, despite popular belief fostered by helmet manufacturers of the time, anymore than a bike helmet helps when you get tagged by a car doing 45mph.
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Originally Posted by mconlonx
You fell into a trap -- trick statement: Roman hardshell helmet would not have helped with scourging or crucifixion, despite popular belief fostered by helmet manufacturers of the time, anymore than a bike helmet helps when you get tagged by a car doing 45mph.
Trap? I never mentioned the crucifixion or scourging simply the crown of thorns. It was proven that a helmet that passed the RGOH (Roman Government Organization for Helmets) compliance committee and had the label inside the helmet would protect the user from a crown of thorns. The crucifixion and scourging protection required the use of the scaled armor which worked better then the leather armor or none at all.
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.........personally, I don't see how you can interpret it any other way.
I would just love to ride my bike without a helmet, (locks blowing in the wind seem like a great thing) .... But then some semblance of common sense comes to mind... And says something stupid like, You do know that something between the old head is better than nothing "if it (the old head) bounces off the pavement for some reason".... And OK, maybe, just maybe, it might not "save your life" but since 90% of all accidents seem to be non-life threatening, just annoying, or a "little bit" life debilitating, riding without a helmet would be OK...
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Well, I think it's been clearly demonstrated that a helmet would have prevented Jesus' superficial thorn injuries, but would have been ineffective at saving his life. Thus ends the debate.
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Originally Posted by 350htrr
I would just love to ride my bike without a helmet, (locks blowing in the wind seem like a great thing) .... But then some semblance of common sense comes to mind... And says something stupid like, You do know that something between the old head is better than nothing "if it (the old head) bounces off the pavement for some reason".... And OK, maybe, just maybe, it might not "save your life" but since 90% of all accidents seem to be non-life threatening, just annoying, or a "little bit" life debilitating, riding without a helmet would be OK...
...........this is kinda where I'm at: I do not want to have to answer those annoying questions by
the first responders about what day it is, my name, who is the president.......I'm just not very good
at that stuff, so even if I have not suffered a concussion, I might end up in the ER.

I notice they are more likely to leave you alone after a short while if you were wearing a helmet when you crashed.
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I notice they are more likely to leave you alone after a short while if you were wearing a helmet when you crashed.
How often do you "crash" and/or get to notice what first responders do/don't do at bicycling crashes?
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"I crash a lot, so you should wear a helmet!"
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
How often do you "crash" and/or get to notice what first responders do/don't do at bicycling crashes?
.......................try again, I spent a good part of my working life here with local fire, scraping up people after accidents.

What might be more important, though, would be to try to cultivate a sense of humor.......I know that's asking a lot in the helment thread.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
.accidents.

What might be more important, though, would be to try to cultivate a sense of humor.......I know that's asking a lot in the helment thread.
Want funny.

Deb (my wife) dumped her bike in a freak low speed front wheel skid. She knew something was wrong right away, dragged herself to the sidewalk and awaited transport to a hospital. Quick diagnoses confirmed by X-rays, broken pelvis. So the orthopedist is called in, sees her and his first words on hearing it happened on her bike were "were you wearing a helmet". She wasn't, but replied, "uh, I don't think it would have made a difference down there".

BTW- she made a quick and full recovery, and was back on the bike within 3 months.
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Originally Posted by 3alarmer
.......................try again, I spent a good part of my working life here with local fire, scraping up people after accidents.

What might be more important, though, would be to try to cultivate a sense of humor.......I know that's asking a lot in the helment thread.
Yes pretty funny, then you must be referring to your own actions/inaction at accident scenes.
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Originally Posted by corvuscorvax
The helmet thread is a vast, inexhaustible well of crazy.
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It's almost like the thread itself is demonstrative of this vast population of bicycle riders, all suffering varying degrees of brain injury.
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Yes pretty funny, then you must be referring to your own actions/inaction at accident scenes.
.......and yet, I have this sense that you are not laughing.
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