View Poll Results: Helmet wearing habits?
I've never worn a bike helmet
178
10.66%
I used to wear a helmet, but have stopped
94
5.63%
I've always worn a helmet
648
38.80%
I didn't wear a helmet, but now do
408
24.43%
I sometimes wear a helmet depending on the conditions
342
20.48%
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The helmet thread
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Speaking for myself, I place quite a high value on my brain. I'm vain enough to think it's a specially good example of its kind. So were I persuaded that wearing a helmet made a material difference to its chances of surviving or avoiding injury, I'd certainly wear one.
But I'm not. For anything other than superficial injuries, helmets appear to be an irrelevance. No more essential than elbow or knee pads. I don't wear them, either.
But I'm not. For anything other than superficial injuries, helmets appear to be an irrelevance. No more essential than elbow or knee pads. I don't wear them, either.
#2802
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Well, according to this very thorugh paper, helmets are of practically no use except to children and elderly:
https://www.cycle-helmets.com/elvik.pdf
Makes sense, once you consider what may typically cause severe brain damage. Anyway, this has been discussed ad nauseam in the helmet thread.
https://www.cycle-helmets.com/elvik.pdf
Makes sense, once you consider what may typically cause severe brain damage. Anyway, this has been discussed ad nauseam in the helmet thread.
This is another great part of that Elvik paper: "Once helmeted, cyclists might feel better protected and adopt more risky riding behaviour. While this cannot be ruled out, there is no direct evidence for it and performing a convincing study of such behavioural adaptation would be very difficult. The issue remains unresolved."
#2803
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the short answer is, because it comes off as judgemental.
I can appreciate you have your view, and I know you don't mean it that way but that's how it comes off. To me anyway.
If wearing or not wearing a helmet isn't anyones business but their own, why make the comment? It seems by making one, you're judging.
I can appreciate you have your view, and I know you don't mean it that way but that's how it comes off. To me anyway.
If wearing or not wearing a helmet isn't anyones business but their own, why make the comment? It seems by making one, you're judging.
For those of you who don't wear helments--who think that helmets are not as protective as those who wear them like to think, that they are basically valueless when it comes to protection while riding--I'm not sure why you don't agree with Doohickie that his noggin is exactly as valuable as you all find the protective qualities of the helmet he chooses to wear...
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This just begs for a response and debate, something that wouldn't happen if a judgement wasn't made and thrust upon others in the first place.
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For those of you who don't wear helments--who think that helmets are not as protective as those who wear them like to think, that they are basically valueless when it comes to protection while riding--I'm not sure why you don't agree with Doohickie that his noggin is exactly as valuable as you all find the protective qualities of the helmet he chooses to wear...
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It would be like me saying people don't need to use life insurance and then going on to say "but I value my family enough to protect them". It's obviously inflammatory to those who don't use life insurance. See what I mean?
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This whole thread is about making a personal judgement about whether a helmet is worth wearing or not. Ya'll not wearing helmets are judging, you're also judging doohickie, here.
For those of you who don't wear helments--who think that helmets are not as protective as those who wear them like to think, that they are basically valueless when it comes to protection while riding--I'm not sure why you don't agree with Doohickie that his noggin is exactly as valuable as you all find the protective qualities of the helmet he chooses to wear...
For those of you who don't wear helments--who think that helmets are not as protective as those who wear them like to think, that they are basically valueless when it comes to protection while riding--I'm not sure why you don't agree with Doohickie that his noggin is exactly as valuable as you all find the protective qualities of the helmet he chooses to wear...
Now, if I wrote that I personally go without a helmet because I'm not an incompetent fool who can't go for a simple bike ride without falling off and landing on my head, then your argument might hold water - the implication that helmet wearers are incompetent fools is plain.
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Um...: "Do bicycle helmets reduce the risk of injury to the head, face or neck? With respect to head injury, the answer is clearly yes,..."
This is another great part of that Elvik paper: "Once helmeted, cyclists might feel better protected and adopt more risky riding behaviour. While this cannot be ruled out, there is no direct evidence for it and performing a convincing study of such behavioural adaptation would be very difficult. The issue remains unresolved."
This is another great part of that Elvik paper: "Once helmeted, cyclists might feel better protected and adopt more risky riding behaviour. While this cannot be ruled out, there is no direct evidence for it and performing a convincing study of such behavioural adaptation would be very difficult. The issue remains unresolved."
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From todays stage of the Tour. Cavendish crashed just before the finish line. Look at his helmet.
You should really wear a helmet.
You should really wear a helmet.
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Oh, please. In the first place, none of us are going out today to join in a bunch sprint in the Tour de France. In the second place, the very low incidence of death from head injury among pro cyclists has risen, not fallen, since helmets were made manadatory.
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Which is more reason to wear a helmet. WTF is wrong with you people? I mean seriously?! Helmets don't kill people. The death rate hasn't gone up due to them. Th death rate is up due to pro cyclist taking bigger risks and being able to go faster due to better bikes and component. I honesty can't believe y'all would argue this!
Two weeks ago I went down on my mtb. Tire my shoulder up pretty bad. After I accessed my own damage, I looked my hear over. My helmet has several small pings in it and one deep, inch wide, gash in it. I'm so glad that I didn't buy into this nonsense on here!!!
Two weeks ago I went down on my mtb. Tire my shoulder up pretty bad. After I accessed my own damage, I looked my hear over. My helmet has several small pings in it and one deep, inch wide, gash in it. I'm so glad that I didn't buy into this nonsense on here!!!
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Which is more reason to wear a helmet. WTF is wrong with you people? I mean seriously?! Helmets don't kill people. The death rate hasn't gone up due to them. Th death rate is up due to pro cyclist taking bigger risks and being able to go faster due to better bikes and component. I honesty can't believe y'all would argue this!
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9T_qiZepycE (from 3:08 and on)
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I feel pretty strongly about wearing a helmet. For myself anyway. Whatever the rest of you want to do is your own business. (I thought that's pretty much what I said earlier, and why y'all took offense at my last sentence... in a pissin' match of a thread like this one, is beyond me.)
I'll do my own analogy: It would be like me saying people can smoke if they want and then going on to say "but I value my lungs enough to not smoke".
Is that obviously inflammatory to those who smoke?
Bottom line: I don't really care because as I said up front, that's your call. Do what you want: Wear a helmet or not; buy life insurance or not; smoke or not. We're all adults here; you're old enough to make your own decision, and why would you be offended if I think you're a fool for the choice you make? A lot of people on the helmetless side seem to think I'm a fool, but hey, that's cool; I don't really care what you think as long as you respect my right to act like a fool.
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#2816
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Hey, I made a new sweat band for my helmet. The old one was soaked with something like pus, gross, eww...
So I got some Felt at a local store that sells sewing supplies.
Now I'm expecting someone to say that I should've bought a new helmet. Hey, the Felt cost 35 cents, a new helmet costs 35 dollars.
I believe this sweat band is better than what came with the helmet.
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This whole thread is about the helmeted judging the helmet-less. Y'know - calling 'em Spring Airheads, morons, organ donors.
This just begs for a response and debate, something that wouldn't happen if a judgement wasn't made and thrust upon others in the first place.
This just begs for a response and debate, something that wouldn't happen if a judgement wasn't made and thrust upon others in the first place.
Sheesh.
As I've pointed out before, the "judgment" goes the other way too. You provided one example of that.
And it's dishonest or ridiculously obtuse to suggest that this "whole thread" is about that one topic. Clearly, obviously, it isn't only about that one topic.
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Which is more reason to wear a helmet. WTF is wrong with you people? I mean seriously?! Helmets don't kill people. The death rate hasn't gone up due to them. Th death rate is up due to pro cyclist taking bigger risks and being able to go faster due to better bikes and component. I honesty can't believe y'all would argue this!
Two weeks ago I went down on my mtb. Tire my shoulder up pretty bad. After I accessed my own damage, I looked my hear over. My helmet has several small pings in it and one deep, inch wide, gash in it. I'm so glad that I didn't buy into this nonsense on here!!!
Two weeks ago I went down on my mtb. Tire my shoulder up pretty bad. After I accessed my own damage, I looked my hear over. My helmet has several small pings in it and one deep, inch wide, gash in it. I'm so glad that I didn't buy into this nonsense on here!!!
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Of course, we don't really know (that is, assuming the events are similar is risky but assuming that they are different is equally risky).
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There's a subtle but important difference between the noggins statement and the lungs statement: We're supposed to use our brains to decide whether it's stupid or not to ride helmetless. See?
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Or will you perhaps accept a reasoning that will suggest that as speed increases, so does the risk of helmets actually causing harm, given that the risk of oblique impacts will be higher and thus the risk of rotational injury - which is apparently aggravated by helmets?
Not that I can prove it, but as a working hypothesis it doesn't sound completely whacky, right?
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It seems highly unlikely. Sort of like Elvis being alive. I'm not required to prove either claim: the people making the claims have that requirement.
Please provide any data about the speed of the TdF crashes before and after the introduction of helmets you have. Once I see your data, maybe, I'll comment on it.
Do we know what the number of total crashes (not just fatal ones) were?
If the speed of the crashes are higher (I have no idea), maybe it's just the extra energy rather than the complicated "rotational injury" stuff you are speculating about.
??? So, I'm required to prove it isn't correct but you aren't required to prove that it is correct? That's bizarre too!
Or will you perhaps accept a reasoning that will suggest that as speed increases, so does the risk of helmets actually causing harm, given that the risk of oblique impacts will be higher and thus the risk of rotational injury - which is apparently aggravated by helmets?
Do we know what the number of total crashes (not just fatal ones) were?
If the speed of the crashes are higher (I have no idea), maybe it's just the extra energy rather than the complicated "rotational injury" stuff you are speculating about.
??? So, I'm required to prove it isn't correct but you aren't required to prove that it is correct? That's bizarre too!
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Like I said, some posts just beg for a response, something that wouldn't happen if a judgement wasn't made in the first place.
You are suggesting that helmets are the cause of the increase in deaths. Bizarre.
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