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Old 09-28-11, 08:33 AM
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Kicked someone out of the group yesterday

We started riding with our group yesterday and had to wait for traffic because of a school event. So that means drivers were already a bit tense from waiting. We start out and we do the "car back" thing and dude holds his ground in the left side of the lane(on a two-lane road), meaning cars have to go into the lane of opposing traffic. After the second time, I ride up to the guy and and nicely ask him to move over when a car comes, so as not to piss anyone off, thus endangering the rest of us. Third time, dude stays there.
We come to a fork in the road and I told my usual group I was going the direction he was not going and they can come with me if they wish. They did.
Well, we did that and dude got the message. He joined back up with us and behaved himself from then on.
Come to find out the guy has already been run over once by a car.
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Old 09-28-11, 08:40 AM
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Once already and he still road in the middle of the lane?!?!?! Bah. Well at least he took the hint after it got obvious.. although I think saying it once was obvious.
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He wasn't in the MIDDLE of the lane, he was in the left portion of the lane and held his ground!!
What I usually do. I tend to hang in the back at the beginning of our rides and and ride in the middle of the lane, so cars can see me/us. As one comes, I yell "car back" and I move to the right. When the car passes I yell "car around" so everyone knows to hold to the right until the car passes. I do this because when we start riding there is usually traffic and after about 15 minutes there is no traffic on the roads we eventually ride. I just don't want anyone to be hurt. And I won't allow someone in our group that doesn't heed the rules. Trust me, I'm no Attilla the Hun either. Pretty mild-mannered but I also know when to speak up.
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OMG, this is like A&S. Fortunately, we're not on that subforum, so we get to be nice and polite even if we disagree.

How wide are the lanes you are talking about. If the lane isn't wide enough for a motor vehicle to safely pass within the lane, it is quite appropriate and much safer to take the lane. The last thing anyone wants is someone trying to squeeze by in an eleven or twelve foot lane with oncoming cars; now that would be dangerous.
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Yeah, myself, let me get more butter.

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Regardless of one's views on taking the lane, the one thing we can all agree on is that there'll always be disagreement about it. The best that can be hoped for, or expected, in my opinion, is for the designated ride leader to state his wishes for the group's ride behavior, and let those who disagree know the consequences of their choices. And I think that's pretty much what the OP did.
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Thank you Craig. And I can respect others thinking the other way. I just won't ride with them. And they don't have to ride with me. No hard feelings. And I can change my idea on the subject with respect to how motorists in that area think things should be done. Here you just don't clog up the whole lane. That is just how it is here. Other areas may differ. But I can be flexible
The main thought in my head at the time was the delay already caused on traffic and the fact people would not be kind having to now wait for a bunch of "idiots on bikes" causing yet another congestion. You have to be able to read what people are going thru and act accordingly.

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Old 09-28-11, 11:26 AM
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Good work, I think in three respects. Your group goes single file to share the lane when sharing is safe, you informally but effectively enforce group practice and allowed the rider to benefit from having second thoughts.

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Old 09-28-11, 11:33 AM
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Originally Posted by CraigB
Regardless of one's views on taking the lane, the one thing we can all agree on is that there'll always be disagreement about it. The best that can be hoped for, or expected, in my opinion, is for the designated ride leader to state his wishes for the group's ride behavior, and let those who disagree know the consequences of their choices. And I think that's pretty much what the OP did.
+1

I frequently invite others to partake in group rides throughout the year. On night time rides we have to be able to trust everyone on the ride for multiple reasons. If it's my ride, then I set the parameters and stick to them. Last year one guy started to race ahead and/or blow through intersections, now days he doesn't get the email invites.
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If the drivers are ticked there going to try to get through on way or another.I think it was a good move to get everybody to the side.Also it does not sound as if the cars were passing at a high speed.. Just wanting to get around the bikes.Not a good time to prove a point of who gets lane control.
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Old 09-28-11, 12:46 PM
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In the days before I was a cyclist I was driving one day to pick up something from the store and I decided to go home the back route, a kid on a bmx bike got in front of me, not a huge deal even though he was going less then 5.. there was a 4 way stop ahead and the 3 options available to me all led home, I was simply going to let him pick a route and then take a different one, well he decided to go to the left of the lane before the stop and start riding on the bumps that divide the road there.. needless to say I wasn't going to pass him on the right on a 2 lane street even with no traffic. Anyhow, he ended up going head first over his handlebars, I think from hitting a bump... not entirely sure and never got a chance to ask him... anyhow he knocked himself out cold on the pavement and ended up being spilled out in the middle of the lane. Needless to say, I stopped my car in the lane so no one could hit him, didn't have my cell phone on me and had to convince the guy behind me to stay/call instead of peeling off like he wanted.. not sure what his deal was but he sure didn't want to talk to cops.. but yeah.. riding on the left side of the lane is dumb is all I'm really getting at.
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bigbadwullf ,

Good for you and the group, safety first!!
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It was me and 3 women(one young girl) and 2 guys joined us. One guy was fine. The other had the chip on his shoulder about something. I felt I needed to be the one to protect the women in our group because we ride a lot together and their husbands weren't there on this ride. I kinda felt a bit over-protective but I'm glad I did it. Later, the women all thanked me.
We have a great core riding group and the fact the women feel safe riding with me is enough thanks.

Our usual group and the actual road in question. Papa Bear in back watching his little cubs :


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Old 09-28-11, 02:17 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbadwullf
The fact the women feel safe riding with me is enough thanks.
Yes, but do they know that you're really the bigbadwullf?

And is one of these women little, named Red, and rides with a hood on?

No . . . couldn't be!

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There is taking the lane for safety and there is sharing the road. If the traffic is in the 25mph range, it should be share the road. If it's higher than that, I take the road if I feel I won't get a brake. I think you or him need to do what you feel is right for a safe trip.
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Old 09-28-11, 02:24 PM
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Too funny. The dumb user name comes from fly fishing(another hobby of mine). A wullf is a type of fly and I thought the name was catchy...for a fly fishing discussion board anyway
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Originally Posted by bigbadwullf
It was me and 3 women(one young girl) and 2 guys joined us. One guy was fine. The other had the chip on his shoulder about something. I felt I needed to be the one to protect the women in our group because we ride a lot together and their husbands weren't there on this ride. I kinda felt a bit over-protective but I'm glad I did it. Later, the women all thanked me.
We have a great core riding group and the fact the women feel safe riding with me is enough thanks.

Our usual group and the actual road in question. Papa Bear in back watching his little cubs :

BBW, You may live in the nirvana of skilled, alert motorists, but I've never lived there. Maybe I should visit your neck of the woods someday and experience it. (Yes, I am jealous of your apparently civilized motorists. I'll get over it.) If you hug the white line on a road like that out here on the West Coast, you will eventually be hit. That's why our vehicle codes expressly allow for and recommend that cyclists take the lane when the lane is not wide enough to share. That lane looks to be not much more than ten feet wide. An eight foot wide SUV passing a nearly two foot wide cyclist doesn't leave much margin for error. Hugging the white line is an invitation to many motorists hereabouts that there is room to share the lane.

When the lane is wide enough for lane sharing, I'm all for it. However, when a lane is so narrow that a safe pass necessitates a partial lane change, I'm going to be in the center of the lane to emphasize the need to change lanes to pass to overtaking vehicles. I believe homicidal maniacs who will murder a cyclist directly are rare, but unskilled motorists who will sideswipe cyclists while attempting an ill-advised pass are fairly common. YMMV.

Out of curiosity, was the pain-in-the-neck cyclist hit while taking the lane, while gutter hugging or in some other way (red light runner, mechanical failure, helicopter landing?). I'm glad things seem to have worked out to everyone's satisfaction in the end. Good for you for taking the initiative to manage the group in a way that the majority appreciated.
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I feel quite safe in the group I ride with. And we do "Take the lane" when we ride. 8-12 riders in a group so far. We do the "Car back" Car Around thing, etc... but there is no moving over by the riders on the left. The autos have to go around us in the oncoming lane. No one (Drivers) has been upset about it yet as far as I can see. And it's the best way to do it I believe. As others above mentioned, why would you move over in a lane that narrow? Your inviting a driver to NOT give you enough room. At least this way, they do not have a choice, they'll have to go all the way over, or run over you from behind. Really a much less likely scenario IMHO,, unless they are texting and driving, or some other form of distracted driving. I am a little confused at the notion that you would move over?
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JimTjr...So crossing a solid line to pass is okay with you(in a car)? Even though people do it it would be against the law for a car to do that? I think cyclists should be single file on a road like that. jmo of course

One reason I ride solo 95% of the time.

Oh and to the OP...Did you kick him out? Sounds like he came back. Is he still welcome to ride with you guys? Those roads do look inviting for a ride.
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Originally Posted by kr32
JimTjr...So crossing a solid line to pass is okay with you(in a car)? Even though people do it it would be against the law for a car to do that? I think cyclists should be single file on a road like that. jmo of course

One reason I ride solo 95% of the time.

Oh and to the OP...Did you kick him out? Sounds like he came back. Is he still welcome to ride with you guys? Those roads do look inviting for a ride.
As noted previously, in Colorado - I don't know about other states - it is legal to cross the solid yellow line to pass a bicycle to give 3 feet of clearance, being safe otherwise.
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Fox, Thanks makes sense.
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Originally Posted by DnvrFox
As noted previously, in Colorado - I don't know about other states - it is legal to cross the solid yellow line to pass a bicycle to give 3 feet of clearance, being safe otherwise.
Did they ever do anything about that town that banned Bicycles in your State?
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As noted previously, in Colorado - I don't know about other states - it is legal to cross the solid yellow line to pass a bicycle to give 3 feet of clearance, being safe otherwise.
Same here in Georgia. Many of the roads I ride with my friends are much like what is pictured above. In the exact situation shown above, We would probably remain two abreast to discourage passing with no forward visibility. But with a more open road ahead, we would move into single file. Not hugging the white line, but positioned much as the right side riders in BBW's photo. This allows the following driver a clearer view of the road ahead so a better pass/no pass decision can be made. It would be easier to see an approaching car in the other lane without riders on the left side of the lane obscuring the view up the road, but if it was safe to pass, the driver could pass sooner and more quickly.
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Originally Posted by Mobile 155
Did they ever do anything about that town that banned Bicycles in your State?
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