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No wonder some motorists seem to have no clue... they BOUGHT their licenses.

Old 05-04-12, 09:10 AM
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I recently bought my Arizona driver license. All it took was some money and my old Washington State license.

Went to the local DMV office prepared for at least a written exam and a vision test.... had neither. Could have gone in there half blind and they never would have known. I was appalled. Apparently they only require tests for drivers coming from out of state if they have some history of moving violations or a criminal record. This is crazy. IMO all drivers should be required to take periodic written and real-world driving tests.
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Old 05-04-12, 09:11 AM
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Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
Good luck on that thought, at least here in California.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ound-vehicles/
Pretty outrageous actually... What it is going to take is a big lawsuit to the LA police department or someone of notoriety being killed by one of these unlicensed drivers...

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Old 05-04-12, 10:37 AM
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Originally Posted by Zaneluke View Post
I think the people should get their licenses revoked for life. Same thing should happen to people who get a second DUI .
Agreed, but what do you do about the repeat offender who continues to drive even though their license has been suspended/revoked? We need to do something to send the message that driving without a license is a serious offense and will be taken and treated seriously.

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Again, it won't do any good, at least in most of the US where driving is such an addiction and the infrastructure landscape is designed around. The lack of a laminated document isn't going to stop the worst offenders from driving, some or longer incarceration time and stiffer fines/community service might be a better option.
Sadly, you are right on the money there. As we've seen time-and-time again just because someone has had their license suspended or revoked isn't going to stop someone from driving.

Which is also why we need to look at large cities like NYC and lay our cities out so that one DOESN'T need a car to get around. Hell they should be designed so as to discourage private car ownership. Make the roads so that if there's more than a couple of cars on them they turn into a traffic jam. Charge an arm and a leg for parking.

Reduce the price of public transportation, be it a public bus, train/subway, or cabs. Also have the buses so they run 24/7/365.

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Try impounding the vehicle... with no way to get it back unless you can prove you are the owner and have a VALID license and pay a very stiff fine. When you hit folks right in the wallet, they start to listen.
And in both situations, if one habitually drives on a suspended/revoked license or if one habitually allows someone with a suspended/revoked license to drive their car then eventually not just impound, but seize the car(s) to be sold at auction. An auction where the owner/owner's friends/family are NOT allowed to participate. So that they cannot get their car back.
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Old 05-04-12, 10:58 AM
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Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
Good luck on that thought, at least here in California.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2012...ound-vehicles/
The key (at least for me) in this article and new policy is that we're talking about ILLEGAL immigrants. If one is here ILLEGALLY then they do NOT have a LEGAL right to:

a) be in the country in the first place
b) own/drive a car on our roads

If the LAPD stop a car and it's being driven by an illegal alien then they need to impound the car and take the driver (and any occupants who are also here illegally) into custody and turn them over to INS for deportation.

There is a long established process for one who wishes to live and work in this country to go through if they are not citizens of this country. IF they enter the country illegally then they should NOT be given ANY consideration because of their status.

And I think that it's fair to ask if they're willing to break the law in entering the country and in driving what other laws are they going to be willing to break?
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Old 05-04-12, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by rnorris View Post
I recently bought my Arizona driver license. All it took was some money and my old Washington State license.

Went to the local DMV office prepared for at least a written exam and a vision test.... had neither. Could have gone in there half blind and they never would have known. I was appalled. Apparently they only require tests for drivers coming from out of state if they have some history of moving violations or a criminal record. This is crazy. IMO all drivers should be required to take periodic written and real-world driving tests.
As I've said before lets add to that a requirement that in order for one to retain his/her license that as with some professions that they be required to log x-number of continuing education. And let's add to that that doctors be legally required to report ANY patient who has developed ANY condition that makes it dangerous for them to continue to operate any type of motor vehicle.
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Old 05-04-12, 12:42 PM
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
The key (at least for me) in this article and new policy is that we're talking about ILLEGAL immigrants. If one is here ILLEGALLY then they do NOT have a LEGAL right to:

a) be in the country in the first place
b) own/drive a car on our roads

If the LAPD stop a car and it's being driven by an illegal alien then they need to impound the car and take the driver (and any occupants who are also here illegally) into custody and turn them over to INS for deportation.

There is a long established process for one who wishes to live and work in this country to go through if they are not citizens of this country. IF they enter the country illegally then they should NOT be given ANY consideration because of their status.

And I think that it's fair to ask if they're willing to break the law in entering the country and in driving what other laws are they going to be willing to break?
DC, the problem is when you get enough foxes guarding the hen house, then you eventually end up with a fox den.
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Old 05-04-12, 12:57 PM
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Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
Again, it won't do any good, at least in most of the US where driving is such an addiction and the infrastructure landscape is designed around. The lack of a laminated document isn't going to stop the worst offenders from driving, some or longer incarceration time and stiffer fines/community service might be a better option.
So we can imprison an even larger percentage of our population. Maybe if they stopped the war on drugs, there would be room for dangerous drivers in prison.
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Old 05-04-12, 01:20 PM
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Originally Posted by dynodonn View Post
DC, the problem is when you get enough foxes guarding the hen house, then you eventually end up with a fox den.
Agreed, and sadly certain political parties are trying to give ILLEGAL aliens the "right" to vote.
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Old 05-04-12, 01:27 PM
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Originally Posted by enigmaT120 View Post
So we can imprison an even larger percentage of our population. Maybe if they stopped the war on drugs, there would be room for dangerous drivers in prison.
It is all rather ironic eh... jailing folks whose only crime is growing a weed and munching on too many bags of chips, while allowing others to drive around illegally without proper licenses or in some cases even documentation to allow them to live in this country.

Just makes you go
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Old 05-04-12, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by enigmaT120 View Post
So we can imprison an even larger percentage of our population. Maybe if they stopped the war on drugs, there would be room for dangerous drivers in prison.
IF they're here illegally how can they be counted as part of the population?
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
IF they're here illegally how can they be counted as part of the population?
Because they vote.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy View Post
IF they're here illegally how can they be counted as part of the population?
Because being a physical being, they occupy physical space? Two objects cannot occupy the same space at the same time? Hello.

At a certain level basic physics trumps political fictions, but the person you were responding to wasn't commenting about illegals anyway. They were talking about wasting prison space on people who are not a danger to society. We unfortunately live in a culture where we think sweeping people under a rug is justice. We also commonly confuse punishment with justice.

Unfortunately, that means the United States' rug is pretty lumpy at this point.
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Originally Posted by enigmaT120 View Post
So we can imprison an even larger percentage of our population. Maybe if they stopped the war on drugs, there would be room for dangerous drivers in prison.

Looks like you missed my comment of community service and stiffer fines. Use the stiffer fines and community service on the offenders who are are first time and not a danger to society, and jail/prison time on the worst/repeat offenders.

Note: Locally, most motorists who have a suspended driver's license, have so because of a drug or alcohol related offense.

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I'd like to see unsafe drivers sentenced to the community service of meticulously sweeping bike lanes and road shoulders.
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Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
I'd like to see unsafe drivers sentenced to the community service of meticulously sweeping bike lanes and road shoulders.


That would be cool, but locally, due to a low cycling count, older population, and large surrounding forest tracts, community service ends up being in the form of cutting firewood to be given away to the elderly.
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Originally Posted by gcottay View Post
I'd like to see unsafe drivers sentenced to the community service of meticulously sweeping bike lanes and road shoulders.
I'd like to see unsafe drivers lick the road clean with their toungues .

(I was thinking of a Monty Python skit when I wrote that.)

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It's happened here in the Bay State as well, at the famous (or perhaps "infamous") Registry of Motor Vehicles, which is our version of your DMV. Have a read.

This is from 2010. That was not the first time it's happened, and I suspect it will not be the last.

Note also that this is a reference link for "Suspended License lawyers". That's big business around here, and some lawyers who handles
licenses suspensions are,,,,, wait for it,,,, members of the state legislature! I think this is where the "Benny Hill Music" comes on.
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