My Crime? Riding A Bicycle On A Public Street.
Haven't been here in a while, but I thought A&S would get a kick out of this:
http://www.averyjenkins.com/?p=701 You see, I apparently was guilty of having the unmitigated gall to ride my bicycle on a public street, in broad daylight. Which, as I cruised through the center of town, offended the delicate sensibilities of a Connecticut State Police lieutenant, and sent him off into what eventually looked like a steroid-fueled rage. And I was apparently so frightening to the good lieutenant that he mustered all of the available manpower to make sure I didn’t litter or something while he was giving me a ticket. |
I only wish there were video available. Keep up the good work.
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Classic. It is for situations like this that one might consider carrying their own copy of the vehicle code as it applies to bicycles.
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Originally Posted by genec
(Post 14196460)
Classic. It is for situations like this that one might consider carrying their own copy of the vehicle code as it applies to bicycles.
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In spite of the cop being wrong on all counts; if the trike in the photo that accompanies the article is the trike Dr. Jenkins was riding, it does not appear in the photo to be a street legal vehicle in FL. Now I don't know how Connecticut law defines a bicycle, but if it's the same it's a good thing Lt. Chowderhead didn't know that.
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I'm inclined to think, based on the writer's demeanor, that he was likely less polite with the officer than he claims. His mistake was calling his attorney wife, nothing pisses a cop off more than a citizen on a power trip, ironically. Obviously it appears the cop was in the wrong, but if the guy would have just apologized without admitting fault the cop probably would have let him be on his way. The key with cops on a power trip is to just agree, apologize, and try and make the stop as quick as possible. If they pull you over frivolously, they likely know they are doing so and are only looking for a reason to give you a ticket. The longer you stay there, the more likely they are to come up with something ticket-worthy.
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Oh the effrontery!
How dare you sir!?! Don't you know roads were built for cars? |
Can someone post a link to the second page of that article... For some reason, I can't get to it.
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Originally Posted by CommuterRun
(Post 14196632)
if the trike in the photo that accompanies the article is the trike Dr. Jenkins was riding, it does not appear in the photo to be a street legal vehicle in FL.
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Originally Posted by CommuterRun
(Post 14196632)
In spite of the cop being wrong on all counts; if the trike in the photo that accompanies the article is the trike Dr. Jenkins was riding, it does not appear in the photo to be a street legal vehicle in FL. Now I don't know how Connecticut law defines a bicycle, but if it's the same it's a good thing Lt. Chowderhead didn't know that.
Uh, why are you saying that 'Bent tyrkes aren't street legal here in Florida? What makes it illegal to ride on the streets in Florida? |
Originally Posted by BenzFanatic
(Post 14196653)
I'm inclined to think, based on the writer's demeanor, that he was likely less polite with the officer than he claims. His mistake was calling his attorney wife, nothing pisses a cop off more than a citizen on a power trip, ironically. Obviously it appears the cop was in the wrong, but if the guy would have just apologized without admitting fault the cop probably would have let him be on his way. The key with cops on a power trip is to just agree, apologize, and try and make the stop as quick as possible. If they pull you over frivolously, they likely know they are doing so and are only looking for a reason to give you a ticket. The longer you stay there, the more likely they are to come up with something ticket-worthy.
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Hahahaha! It's a stealth campaign for RoadID... ;-)
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No need to be patronizing... there is no need to call an attorney for a simple traffic stop. It does nothing but slow the process and make you look like you're trying to assert your rights, which pisses cops off, and makes them think you have more to hide. and apologizing for what a cop thinks he saw is not self-incrimination. All you need to say is, "I truly don't think I did anything wrong, but if I did I'm sorry." It makes them think they're in control, which makes it much less likely that you'll get a ticket. Generally cops are like children in that sense.
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Originally Posted by DirtRoadRunner
(Post 14196586)
I started doing this a few weeks ago. I printed out all of the Missouri bicycle statues and keep them in a ziploc baggie in my seat pack. If I'm ever in a similar situation, I'll be able to reference the exactl laws by number. The laws only weigh a few grams - I'd recommend everyone carry them.
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Originally Posted by BenzFanatic
(Post 14196653)
I'm inclined to think, based on the writer's demeanor, that he was likely less polite with the officer than he claims. His mistake was calling his attorney wife, nothing pisses a cop off more than a citizen on a power trip, ironically. Obviously it appears the cop was in the wrong, but if the guy would have just apologized without admitting fault the cop probably would have let him be on his way. The key with cops on a power trip is to just agree, apologize, and try and make the stop as quick as possible. If they pull you over frivolously, they likely know they are doing so and are only looking for a reason to give you a ticket. The longer you stay there, the more likely they are to come up with something ticket-worthy.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
(Post 14197096)
CR,
Uh, why are you saying that 'Bent tyrkes aren't street legal here in Florida? What makes it illegal to ride on the streets in Florida? |
Originally Posted by Pedaleur
(Post 14197147)
Hahahaha! It's a stealth campaign for RoadID... ;-)
It's so stealthy, I missed it. As for the incident, I bet he will get convicted on the ticket. The ticket was for "Unsafe Operation of a Vehicle" and if the cop tells the judge that the bike was difficult to see without the magic flag, he can argue that the cyclist is putting himself and others in danger by not being visible enough. Among drivers, that's enough to convict a cyclist. |
Originally Posted by BenzFanatic
(Post 14197148)
No need to be patronizing... there is no need to call an attorney for a simple traffic stop. It does nothing but slow the process and make you look like you're trying to assert your rights, which pisses cops off, and makes them think you have more to hide. and apologizing for what a cop thinks he saw is not self-incrimination. All you need to say is, "I truly don't think I did anything wrong, but if I did I'm sorry." It makes them think they're in control, which makes it much less likely that you'll get a ticket. Generally cops are like children in that sense.
The bottom line is that standing up for one's rights is a good thing. |
Of course standing up for your rights is a good thing... when it helps. It's usually beneficial to only assert your rights when you actually need to. For instance, if you use your right not to have a cop search your car when he asks, he is most likely going to assume you have something to hide. Calling for backup is standard procedure in most locales, I'm guessing it was just a slow day.. In most places it's the law that you must have proper identification on you at all times, so that in itself is reason enough for a cop to call for backup in their mind.
I'm just stating my opinions based on extensive experience with law enforcement... I'm not saying it's right or anything... but the fact is that being assertive towards police officers will often do more harm than good, and you're usually best off just having them do what they'll do, and take care of it in court later. |
Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
(Post 14197096)
CR,
Uh, why are you saying that 'Bent tyrkes aren't street legal here in Florida? What makes it illegal to ride on the streets in Florida? Title XXIII MOTOR VEHICLES Chapter 316 STATE UNIFORM TRAFFIC CONTROL 316.003 Definitions.—The following words and phrases, when used in this chapter, shall have the meanings respectively ascribed to them in this section, except where the context otherwise requires: (2) BICYCLE.—Every vehicle propelled solely by human power, and every motorized bicycle propelled by a combination of human power and an electric helper motor capable of propelling the vehicle at a speed of not more than 20 miles per hour on level ground upon which any person may ride, having two tandem wheels, and including any device generally recognized as a bicycle though equipped with two front or two rear wheels. The term does not include such a vehicle with a seat height of no more than 25 inches from the ground when the seat is adjusted to its highest position or a scooter or similar device. No person under the age of 16 may operate or ride upon a motorized bicycle. I may be off from the perspective of the photograph. But it doesn't look to me like that seat is even close to being 25" off the ground; unless he's running 45" wheels on the front. And if that is so; that is one really tall backrest. |
Can someone post a link to that second page of that article?
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There is no second page.... all on one page.
http://www.averyjenkins.com/?p=701 |
The section of "25 inches", is referring to a "MOTORIZED" bike, not a "regular" bicycle...
The appropriate section of that statute is, "every vehicle propelled solely by human power". It could be contested, a motor/engine propelled recumbent, would then not be considered a bicycle. |
Originally Posted by BenzFanatic
(Post 14197537)
Of course standing up for your rights is a good thing... when it helps. It's usually beneficial to only assert your rights when you actually need to. For instance, if you use your right not to have a cop search your car when he asks, he is most likely going to assume you have something to hide. Calling for backup is standard procedure in most locales, I'm guessing it was just a slow day.. In most places it's the law that you must have proper identification on you at all times, so that in itself is reason enough for a cop to call for backup in their mind.
Even for a "simple" traffic stop? What did the cop think was going to happen that he needed to call for backup? Or did you miss where the OP said that when he turned around there were already three squad cars (presumably not counting the original) as well as a fourth pulling up behind him totally blocking the street. I think that except for a few places that again in other threads that that myth has been dispelled. Yes it is wise to carry ID with one. But I think that as has been mentioned in other threads that in reality and unless one is a resident alien that a US citizen is not required to carry ID with them. Yes, if one refuses to ID themselves they can be held while the cops try to ascertain their ID, but does that really require calling in the "cavalry" as it were?
Originally Posted by BenzFanatic
(Post 14197537)
I'm just stating my opinions based on extensive experience with law enforcement... I'm not saying it's right or anything... but the fact is that being assertive towards police officers will often do more harm than good, and you're usually best off just having them do what they'll do, and take care of it in court later.
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Originally Posted by CommuterRun
(Post 14197561)
{bold mine]
I may be off from the perspective of the photograph. But it doesn't look to me like that seat is even close to being 25" off the ground; unless he's running 45" wheels on the front. And if that is so; that is one really tall backrest. And while not bicycles, I am sure that you have seen plenty of motor vehicles that have seats that are less than 25" to the ground. |
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