Okay, how about THIS video ...
City truck crosses over lane divider and forces me to break hard.
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Could you give us the location, please?
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Originally Posted by kalliergo
(Post 14264164)
Could you give us the location, please?
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it's fortunate you're still alive.
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Are we trolling? You appear to be merging across opposite traffic from a blind intersection and want to know why traffic didn't halt for you?
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Poor line of sight intersection, poor markings that are basically camouflaged by wet pavement and leaves, my SA level would have been on high to begin with. Personally, my videos are for gathering info to report to local law enforcement of dangerous, aggressive drivers, or just recording/logging motorist actions in case of another future incident, not in playing it on BF in a form of "Can you top this".
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Originally Posted by fholt
(Post 14264582)
Are we trolling? You appear to be merging across opposite traffic from a blind intersection and want to know why traffic didn't halt for you?
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From the movie "Field of Dreams"
Archie Graham: Hey ump, how 'bout a warning? Clean-shaven Umpire: Sure, kid. Watch out you don't get killed. |
Originally Posted by Surfer34
(Post 14264654)
Did you even watch the video ? If you pause at :08 - :09 you will see that isnt an intersection, there is no road to my right, its some kind of turn out. The white truck went across my lane into that turn out.
When I first saw it, it looked like you were making a shallow left from an intersecting road and that the truck was proceeding on the road you were turning onto. So it looked like he had the ROW. Your description is very different from what I thought I saw, so it would be nice to be able to look at the intersection. |
Originally Posted by randomgear
(Post 14264678)
From the movie "Field of Dreams"
Archie Graham: Hey ump, how 'bout a warning? Clean-shaven Umpire: Sure, kid. Watch out you don't get killed. |
the truck is as far left as he can go, if you had gone far left there would have been 15 feet between you at pretty modest speeds.
sometimes two lefts equals a right. usually it's three lefts equals a right. |
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If you have Google earth go to 128 Via Capay in Palos Verdes Estate. If you drive along in street view you will see it isnt an intersection. |
Originally Posted by dynodonn
(Post 14264620)
Poor line of sight intersection, poor markings that are basically camouflaged by wet pavement and leaves, my SA level would have been on high to begin with. Personally, my videos are for gathering info to report to local law enforcement of dangerous, aggressive drivers, or just recording/logging motorist actions in case of another future incident, not in playing it on BF in a form of "Can you top this".
I agree with you. Recording one's ride can be great for gathering evidence needed to convince the police/judges/lawmakers of a problem on the road with motorists. I don't agree that one should "sit" on said video waiting for another encounter with said car/driver. It should be turned over to the police as it could be the last bit of evidence that they need to get a particular driver off of the road for good. Also I agree with you that recording one's ride can be a great way to learn IF there is anything that they could do differently to avoid such situations in the future. Such as when one is approaching a blind curve/corner or an intersection with limited sight lines slow the "f" down so that you have time to take evasive action WITHOUT having to "brake hard." I'll often give a short toot on my horn when approaching a blind curve so that any cars coming from the opposite direction will know that there is someone on the other side of the curve that they can't see. Again, I agree with you, posting them BF, or YouTube, or Facebook, etc. as a "can you top THIS?" Isn't why one should be recording their rides. |
Originally Posted by Surfer34
(Post 14264713)
If you have Google earth go to 128 Via Capay in Palos Verdes Estate. If you drive along in street view you will see it isnt an intersection.
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Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
(Post 14264727)
DD,
I don't agree that one should "sit" on said video waiting for another encounter with said car/driver. Also I agree with you that recording one's ride can be a great way to learn IF there is anything that they could do differently to avoid such situations in the future. Such as when one is approaching a blind curve/corner or an intersection with limited sight lines slow the "f" down so that you have time to take evasive action WITHOUT having to "brake hard." I "sit" on a great number of my videos, and not report the motorists in those videos to law enforcement, since many of the motorists' actions were subtle enough in nature that it would hard to prove it was intentional. Looking at the OP's video, it looks like the OP was building up speed to go up an incline on the other side of the turnout. |
I'm not sure this needs a new thread. And if it is like you said about the intersection I would be a lot more careful around that corner.
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Originally Posted by Surfer34
(Post 14264713)
If you have Google earth go to 128 Via Capay in Palos Verdes Estate. If you drive along in street view you will see it isnt an intersection.
That said, speeds weren't terribly fast and there was room to maneuver out of harm's way. Not the scariest encounter you could have had. As Cowboy says, above, this is a curve where I would have slowed in advance. And the horn tap idea is a good one. It used to be standard operating practice on narrow, winding roads with poor sight-lines. If that's your local public works department's vehicle, it might be a good idea to (politely!) share it with a supervisor there, with a request that they remind their people that it's a good idea to stay on the right side of the road until you get to the place you're actually turning. |
Originally Posted by dynodonn
(Post 14264777)
DC,
I "sit" on a great number of my videos, and not report the motorists in those videos to law enforcement, since many of the motorists' actions were subtle enough in nature that it would hard to prove it was intentional. Looking at the OP's video, it looks like the OP was building up speed to go up an incline on the other side of the turnout. Again, I agree that it a motorists actions can be just subtle enough to be difficult to prove that it was intentional. But again, if said driver has a history of harassing cyclists and/or pedestrians then the video that a cyclist made may just be what is needed to get a conviction against the driver. A "good" example is the "good" doctor from LA who is now cooling his jets in prison. IF it hadn't been for other cyclists reporting the "good" doctor's behavior on the road then in his last assault on innocent cyclists wouldn't have resulted in his conviction. |
Originally Posted by Digital_Cowboy
(Post 14264834)
DD,
Again, I agree that it a motorists actions can be just subtle enough to be difficult to prove that it was intentional. But again, if said driver has a history of harassing cyclists and/or pedestrians then the video that a cyclist made may just be what is needed to get a conviction against the driver. A "good" example is the "good" doctor from LA who is now cooling his jets in prison. IF it hadn't been for other cyclists reporting the "good" doctor's behavior on the road then in his last assault on innocent cyclists wouldn't have resulted in his conviction. DC, My concern is that local law enforcement would become apathetic towards my calling them to report all my incidents. I've learned to pick my battles, go after the really dangerous motorists, and I generally get better results if I keep my reporting to a lesser degree. |
Originally Posted by kalliergo
(Post 14264820)
Yep, you're correct. The truck was headed for the turnout and was moving to the left side of the roadway while negotiating the curve, no doubt assuming that there was no oncoming traffic. That's not the way we're supposed to do it. And it's dangerous.
That said, speeds weren't terribly fast and there was room to maneuver out of harm's way. Not the scariest encounter you could have had. As Cowboy says, above, this is a curve where I would have slowed in advance. And the horn tap idea is a good one. It used to be standard operating practice on narrow, winding roads with poor sight-lines. If that's your local public works department's vehicle, it might be a good idea to (politely!) share it with a supervisor there, with a request that they remind their people that it's a good idea to stay on the right side of the road until you get to the place you're actually turning. Also as you noted it used to be standard operating procedure for anyone operating any sort of vehicle to give a toot on their horn when approaching blind curves, or intersections with limited sight lines. As a warning to those who might be coming around from the opposite direction that there is someone that they can't see. What I'd like to know is what happened to most of those standard operating procedures? Why have they fallen out of practice? Is it really that difficult for a person to leave early enough for their appointments that if something unexpected happens that they can still get there on time? Is it really that difficult to give a short, gentle toot on one's horn when approaching a blind curve/intersection with limited sight lines? Also is it really that difficult for one to just slow down a little when approaching such curves/intersections? Why the bloody hell is "everyone and their brother" in such a rush to "get nowhere fast?" |
Originally Posted by dynodonn
(Post 14264852)
DC,
My concern is that local law enforcement would become apathetic towards my calling them to report all my incidents. I've learned to pick my battles, go after the really dangerous motorists, and I generally get better results if I keep my reporting to a lesser degree. I fully understand that it can be a fine line to know when to call or go into the police station to report something and when not to. As do it too often and one runs the risk of being added to their local police "kook file." And once one ends up there the chances of them getting taken seriously are sadly pretty much slim to none. But as I said the video that you're "sitting" on could be just the evidence that they need to get a conviction. How would you feel if you had video of a motorist that either cut you off or passed too close. And you didn't report it even though you had video that showed their action. And then later you learned that the same vehicle ran a cyclist off of the road and they were either seriously injured or worse killed. And that by turning your video over to the police sooner that you could have prevented it? |
Originally Posted by Surfer34
(Post 14264654)
Did you even watch the video ? If you pause at :08 - :09 you will see that isnt an intersection, there is no road to my right, its some kind of turn out. The white truck went across my lane into that turn out.
PS - google maps has a short link button you can use to provide a link to the forums of what you want us to look at, rather than making everyone type in an address. |
Originally Posted by CB HI
(Post 14264905)
Relax, with your poor video skills, I had to watch the video 3 times to figure out that was not an intersection. So for future video post, either improve your video skills or provide a better word description.
PS - google maps has a short link button you can use to provide a link to the forums of what you want us to look at, rather than making everyone type in an address. Do you have any advice you could give me to make my videos better ? |
Originally Posted by Surfer34
(Post 14264918)
Do you have any advice you could give me to make my videos better ?
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Originally Posted by Rx Rider
(Post 14264942)
boobs
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