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Segregation
"Whenever you segregate a minority, you inevitably discriminate against that minority. That's the issue."
--Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I think it applies to cycling, as well. When you require cyclists to be segregated from motorists, cyclists will not have the same rights and freedoms as motorists. |
And "to segregate one's self, is to discriminate against one's self. That is another issue."
This, too, applies to cycling. Let's behave like vehicles worthy of the road. Otherwise, we won't be taken seriously by the discrimintors. |
Originally Posted by JASON R. TOMSIC
And "to segregate one's self, is to discriminate against one's self. That is another issue."
This, too, applies to cycling. Let's behave like vehicles worthy of the road. Otherwise, we won't be taken seriously by the discrimintors. |
Originally Posted by JASON R. TOMSIC
And "to segregate one's self, is to discriminate against one's self. That is another issue."
This, too, applies to cycling. Let's behave like vehicles worthy of the road. Otherwise, we won't be taken seriously by the discrimintors. Ditto. Now to get my taco-bell afterburner functional so i can get an extra boost when needed :eek: :D |
Originally Posted by ngateguy
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anyone else find it a little... well to say the least, odd, to turn a quote regarding civil rights as a rally slogan for cyclists' rights? i'll admit, sometimes its not so easy being a cyclist on the road but that's not exactly on the same level as the denial of basic human rights by the government that's getting rich from it. it wont matter if we have all the same "rights" as motorists (and at least where i am, we already do); as long as american society lives by the creed of bigger, faster, stronger, cycling wont stand a chance of being embraced.
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Originally Posted by LittleBigMan
"Whenever you segregate a minority, you inevitably discriminate against that minority. That's the issue."
--Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I think it applies to cycling, as well. When you require cyclists to be segregated from motorists, cyclists will not have the same rights and freedoms as motorists. Perhaps only those of us who lived through the civil rights fights of the 50's and 60's and even today, and the fight for equal access for those with disabilities, which continues today, appreciate the differences. Bicyclists, you have it pretty good. Not perfect, but nowhere similar in comparison. |
Originally Posted by LittleBigMan
"Whenever you segregate a minority, you inevitably discriminate against that minority. That's the issue."
--Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I think it applies to cycling, as well. When you require cyclists to be segregated from motorists, cyclists will not have the same rights and freedoms as motorists. |
Originally Posted by skydive69
I am so proud of myself. I have avoided responding, and hence getting myself in trouble.
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Originally Posted by DnvrFox
Go ahead, state your viewpoint. I did, and I can take the heat.
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"I have a dream! That one day we will live in a nation where we will not be judged by the color or make of our bicycles, or our choice of funny-looking clothing, but by the rapidity of our cadence and the tautness of our calves. I have a dream today.
When we let freedom ride, when we let it ride from every village and every hamlet, on every street and bikepath in every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's vehicles, automobiles and bicycles, motorcycles and skateboards, inline skaters and runners, will be able to join in a single paceline and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" :D |
Originally Posted by Kestrelman
"I have a dream! That one day we will live in a nation where we will not be judged by the color or make of our bicycles, or our choice of funny-looking clothing, but by the rapidity of our cadence and the tautness of our calves. I have a dream today.
When we let freedom ride, when we let it ride from every village and every hamlet, on every street and bikepath in every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's vehicles, automobiles and bicycles, motorcycles and skateboards, inline skaters and runners, will be able to join in a single paceline and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" :D |
Originally Posted by skydive69
I love it! Fox: Thanks for the offer, but it would be like starting a thread on religion. It would be an exercise in futility, and no one would change their views.
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Originally Posted by DnvrFox
Yes, as a cyclist I am SO tread upon by those motorists and society in general - I think I will move to Canada (are things better there?)! I mean, life is so TOUGH as a bicyclist - I can't vote, I can't stay in a motel, I can't eat in a diner, they turn the dogs loose on me, the police beat me up, I can't get a job consistent with my abilities, I must live in a segregated neighborhood - the bicycling life is REALLY a b1tch.
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There them bike riders gettin' all uppity again. Shoulda never learned 'em how to read and write. Next thing you know, they'll be wantin' to go through the drive-thru at Taco Bell. I can feel my daddy turnin' in his grave now. :roflmao::roflmao:
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Originally Posted by JASON R. TOMSIC
Let's behave like vehicles worthy of the road.
Cyclists fare best when they act and are treated as drivers of vehicles. -John Forester |
Originally Posted by DnvrFox
If I was a racial minority who followed Dr. King, I believe I would be rather distressed by the comparison of so-called "segregation" of bicyclists from motorists with the segregation fought by the civil rights movement.
Perhaps only those of us who lived through the civil rights fights of the 50's and 60's and even today, and the fight for equal access for those with disabilities, which continues today, appreciate the differences. You don't have to be a minority to follow Dr. King. That was part of his dream. Your comments only show that you have a limited perception of what he fought for. By the way, my family is of mixed race, I live in Atlanta (King's home,) my pastor was a personal friend of King whose ministry is a continuation of King's dream that the children of former slaves and the children of former slave-owners would live together in peace and harmony. My family lives this out daily. Just because you are an advocate of segregating cyclists from motorists, it doesn't mean you should hit below the belt to prove your point. Have you ever had family members dragged from their vehicle and beaten for their race? Have you ever been disowned by your own family for your interracial associations? Please, enlighten me. |
Originally Posted by LittleBigMan
Mr. Fox,
You don't have to be a minority to follow Dr. King. That was part of his dream. Your comments only show that you have a limited perception of what he fought for. By the way, my family is of mixed race, I live in Atlanta (King's home,) my pastor was a personal friend of King whose ministry is a continuation of King's dream that the children of former slaves and the children of former slave-owners would live together in peace and harmony. My family lives this out daily. I have no limited perception of what he fought for. I listened personally to Dr. King, in my early 20's - when he was first speaking out, and I have taught in schools, starting in 1962 where issues of inclusion for all races were a matter of urgency and priority. Just because you are an advocate of segregating cyclists from motorists, it doesn't mean you should hit below the belt to prove your point. Have you ever had family members dragged from their vehicle and beaten for their race? Have you ever been disowned by your own family for your interracial associations? Please, enlighten me FWIW, my sons have been denied access to all sorts of buildings, transportation and programs because they both have profound disabilities. I have attended rallies for their civil rights, I have sponsored legislation, I have been to the legislature, I have written letters, I have developed web pages and listservs, I have attended committee after committee meeting, I have pursued their rights through lawyers, I have even carried a placard up and down in front of the state Capitol. Don't think you are the only one who has a clue about disenfranchisement from society. I would never demean Dr. King by quoting him for a small problem in the world about bicyclists being segregated. I think too highly of him. But, again, what does this have to do with bicycling? |
We've got too much in common, Denver. Let's cut it.
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Bicyclists ARE segregated / excluded from most Interstate highways.
I tend to be pragmatic, rather than dogmatic. Some of you will flame me for this, but I favor a few forms of bicycle-motor vehicle segregation, such as well-designed bicycle or mixed use bypasses around, over, or under inherently dangerous interchanges. |
Originally Posted by LittleBigMan
"Whenever you segregate a minority, you inevitably discriminate against that minority. That's the issue."
--Rev. Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. I think it applies to cycling, as well. When you require cyclists to be segregated from motorists, cyclists will not have the same rights and freedoms as motorists. |
Originally Posted by Kestrelman
"I have a dream! That one day we will live in a nation where we will not be judged by the color or make of our bicycles, or our choice of funny-looking clothing, but by the rapidity of our cadence and the tautness of our calves. I have a dream today.
When we let freedom ride, when we let it ride from every village and every hamlet, on every street and bikepath in every state and every city, we will be able to speed up that day when all of God's vehicles, automobiles and bicycles, motorcycles and skateboards, inline skaters and runners, will be able to join in a single paceline and sing in the words of the old Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank God Almighty, we are free at last!" :D Putting bicycles into MLK's I-Have-a-Dream speech shows the enormous difference between discrimination against racial minorities and discrimination against cyclists. One is evil. The other is unwise and annoying. |
Originally Posted by DnvrFox
I didn't say you had to be a minority to follow Dr. King, did I now? Please read what I said without your own personal interpretation.
I have no limited perception of what he fought for. I listened personally to Dr. King, in my early 20's - when he was first speaking out, and I have taught in schools, starting in 1962 where issues of inclusion for all races were a matter of urgency and priority. Huh? Show me where I have ever advocated this? Did you have a bad dream? Somehow this is a non-sequitur - your statements just doesn't follow. How does dragging folks from their vehicle relate in any way to your premise about bicyclists being a persecuted minority? Oh, I get it, bicyclists are regularly dragged off of their bikes for riding bikes? Right - is that what you meant? And I have never been disowned by my family for riding a bicycle. Have you? Otherwise, how is your argument in any way parallel or valid? FWIW, my sons have been denied access to all sorts of buildings, transportation and programs because they both have profound disabilities. I have attended rallies for their civil rights, I have sponsored legislation, I have been to the legislature, I have written letters, I have developed web pages and listservs, I have attended committee after committee meeting, I have pursued their rights through lawyers, I have even carried a placard up and down in front of the state Capitol. Don't think you are the only one who has a clue about disenfranchisement from society. I would never demean Dr. King by quoting him for a small problem in the world about bicyclists being segregated. I think too highly of him. But, again, what does this have to do with bicycling? How does this all relate to cycling? It doesn't, and that's another point. |
If this turns into a debate on affirmative action, the mods will move it to the politics section.
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