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Old 01-13-13, 07:12 AM
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Sabotage Against Bicyclists Riding The Legacy Trail

Imagine someone who disliked bicyclists using a rail trail so much, that they carry out a deliberate criminal act to cause physical damage to both bikes and riders? Well it happened on the Legacy Trail. It was close to the Bay Street access to the trail. The section runs right beside houses with very little separation. And that is where carpet tacks were found spread out in May 2012. Photo is of the access area where this took place looking toward the Legacy Trail. Houses are up a little that run along the right side. The full details are on the link. https://www.heraldtribune.com/article...NIST/120619547
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Unfortunatly this not uncommon.
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Such people are to be pitied - seriously.

We have all met people who are constant whiners. Mostly we deal with them by avoiding contact whenever we can. In the worst cases, they get frustrated by being perpetually ignored and do something undesirable to force our attention.

Everyplace they go, all day every day, everyone they meet reflects their negative attitude back at them so they are doomed never have any pleasant experiences. I really do feel sorry for them but there's nothing I can do to help them. They have created their own spiral down to hell.

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Wow. Just listen to her complaints in these quotes from the newspaper article:

As a report makes clear, an investigator felt sure right away who his prime suspect had to be. He thought of the woman who had, in his written words, "left large piles of debris in the middle of the trail," and "disrupted events and made threats to persons using the trail." The investigator concluded: "I feel that it can be attributed to her."

That woman was known to be outspokenly bothered by many of the trail users, and many bikers were clearly included. She lives near the trail and, unlike those who love having it close by, she has frequently complained about so many people making noise and sometimes stopping close to her backyard pool patio. It is just a few steps or so from the trail property.

Bikers and hikers, for instance, sometimes stop and talk very near their backyard, sometimes while putting on shoes before starting out, the woman told me. Some point out an owl in a nearby tree, and some even chat with her about it if she happens to be out by her pool.

"They, I guess, are being friendly," she said, "but I don't want to come home and entertain people I don't know."

She can hear many of their conversations way too easily, she said. "They discuss wildlife on a daily basis."

I don't think those bikers are being sociable enough. They ought to (you pick):

--Pee on her lawn.

--Smoke pot near her yard.

--Have sex near or in her yard.

--Other (specify)

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Old 01-13-13, 01:14 PM
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This has happened here on the Springwater Corridor, a MUP in Portland.

Vandals spread hundreds of tacks on Springwater Corridor Trail

Main streets with bike lanes have also been attacked with tacks, glass, etc.
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Happened in England too


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I'm sure most are aware that it happened in the 2012 TDF too. It's bad, but people are capable of far worse.
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At least in that case the perpetrator was convicted:
"Davis was sentenced to 16 days in jail, to be served on weekends beginning in January, said his attorney, Gregory Turpin. Davis also must complete 80 hours of community service, enroll in an anger management program and pay restitution to each of the 43 victims in the case."
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We've got public health department psychiatrists doing it here in Oregon.

AJackson County-employed psychiatrist who the Forest Service says admitted to sabotaging mountain-biking trails in the Ashland watershed will head to court in late October after his actions allegedly injured three bikers and put others in danger.

Jackson Tyler Dempsey, 57, of Ashland, was arrested July 22 after he admitted to laying nylon cord, nails and vegetation along trails on multiple occasions because he "did not like downhill mountain bikers," according to a report from the U.S. Forest Service officer who arrested Dempsey.
https://www.mailtribune.com/apps/pbcs...NEWS/209290309

If the cops and district attorneys wanted to put a stop to such nonsense, they could employ the military commissions act that passed during the Bush regime to charge these folks with terrorism. It provides for such a charge when one interferes with transportation.
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"And, she said, some bikers totally ignore the speed limits. They could hit people, including her, or her dogs when she is close by or is using the trail herself."

So it is ok for her to use it but not others?
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The suspected woman's husband is seen purchasing the very same variety of carpet tacks, in a nearby store's video, that were found on the trail.... what a coincidence.

The popular choice for sabotage for our local bike infrastructure is smashed glass bottles, which can be more easily spotted and avoided than the smaller tacks.
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We've had multiple incidents of broken glass on the Pinellas Trail between Gulfport and Seminole. Once the glass was hidden by leaves scattered over the area.
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If only there were some way we could stop this assault on our right to ride wherever we please...wait! I've got it! We could NOT RIDE ON THE TRAIL!
I've been a cyclist for more than 40 years, and served on advocacy and access committees in three different communities. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for sociopathic cyclists. If you ride where riding is prohibited, you take your chances.
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Originally Posted by Velo Dog
If only there were some way we could stop this assault on our right to ride wherever we please...wait! I've got it! We could NOT RIDE ON THE TRAIL!
I've been a cyclist for more than 40 years, and served on advocacy and access committees in three different communities. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for sociopathic cyclists. If you ride where riding is prohibited, you take your chances.
Where was it stated that bikes were prohibited from the trail? Cause, I never saw that in the article.
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Well let's see now, she has a pool right?
Hmmm ...
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Originally Posted by Velo Dog
If only there were some way we could stop this assault on our right to ride wherever we please...wait! I've got it! We could NOT RIDE ON THE TRAIL!
I've been a cyclist for more than 40 years, and served on advocacy and access committees in three different communities. Sorry, but I have no sympathy for sociopathic cyclists. If you ride where riding is prohibited, you take your chances.
1. You aren't allowed to set traps in any state that I'm aware of, so even if this was a trail that in some way prohibited cyclists, you don't get to do what she did.

2. My reading is that she owns a property along a MUP and has decided that she is somehow entitled to a perfect world where she is more important than everyone else. I'd wager/speculate that she lived on the property prior to the trail and has decided that she has a right to live there without a trail. Because she's more important than everyone else.

There are a lot of people on this crazy rock, and some of them are going to do things that annoy you. You're going to do things that annoy others as well. Life is a balancing act...and most of the time you have to accept these things and try to get along in the smurf colony. This woman doesn't sound like she belongs in the colony...and there are consequences to behavior like this.

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It's a new trail and is a cycling/hiking trail. I think my speculation is accurate. I went to college in Sarasota - it's a wealthy area with a lot of entitled lords of the manor. There is also a definite age gap/class warfare thing with some of the younger folks. She bought her property and she'll be damned if any pot smoking hippies will inconvenience her!

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Old 01-14-13, 07:21 AM
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there was a fark thread for this article: https://www.fark.com/comments/7168749/77556093#c77556093
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
1. You aren't allowed to set traps in any state that I'm aware of, so even if this was a trail that in some way prohibited cyclists, you don't get to do what she did.

2. My reading is that she owns a property along a MUP and has decided that she is somehow entitled to a perfect world where she is more important than everyone else. I'd wager/speculate that she lived on the property prior to the trail and has decided that she has a right to live there without a trail. Because she's more important than everyone else.

There are a lot of people on this crazy rock, and some of them are going to do things that annoy you. You're going to do things that annoy others as well. Life is a balancing act...and most of the time you have to accept these things and try to get along in the smurf colony. This woman doesn't sound like she belongs in the colony...and there are consequences to behavior like this.

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It's a new trail and is a cycling/hiking trail. I think my speculation is accurate. I went to college in Sarasota - it's a wealthy area with a lot of entitled lords of the manor. There is also a definite age gap/class warfare thing with some of the younger folks. She bought her property and she'll be damned if any pot smoking hippies will inconvenience her!
Agree with all that. And I suspect that part of the 'lack of response' by the police department was due to the way the situation was handled by the cyclists. If the police had to deal with and answer to an individual complaint filed by each cyclist rather than just a single complaint by a group or a phone call from the odd person - I'd bet things would escalate pretty quickly. Retaliation? Naaaaaw .... I'd go for broke. With enough solid evidence, apparently a conviction could seriously impact her job - which could result in a forced sale of the house and hopefully - an end to her personal little soap opera.

What really annoys me is the possibility that TWO people are involved in this. Some cyclists can be a little rude, but none of her 'complaints' even hinted at any behavior that was deliberately offensive, or threatning, or illegal.

Dirt bikes, gas powered scooters,ATVs and homeless people aren't cyclists.

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apparently there were tacks in two places: https://www.yourobserver.com/news/sar...npoint-problem


The author of the original article is apparently competing with the woman he featured to see who is the bigger ******nozzle
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There really isn't a whole lot of evidence pointed out in the article - at least not enough to bring someone to trial. He bought some tacks and she has a history of whining. At the same time, there's going to be a LOT more attention on her now and for sure some revenge acts.

What bothers me here is that these people somehow think their interests trump the interests of others. I'm sure kids use that trail, and she's potentially hurting a child, and depriving them of joy, because she's annoyed that she can hear people talk by her pool.
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"Chinnis said he heard a rumor that a homeowner near the trail who didn’t like bicyclists was to blame for the tacks, but the Sheriff’s Office had no evidence that was the case."

"Gippert said the fact that it happened in two separate locations made it more likely that it was kids responsible for the vandalism."


There's some real detective work, since it was done in two different locations, it must be some nameless kids that are involved, since adults would not do such a thing.
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Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
There really isn't a whole lot of evidence pointed out in the article - at least not enough to bring someone to trial. He bought some tacks and she has a history of whining. At the same time, there's going to be a LOT more attention on her now and for sure some revenge acts.

What bothers me here is that these people somehow think their interests trump the interests of others. I'm sure kids use that trail, and she's potentially hurting a child, and depriving them of joy, because she's annoyed that she can hear people talk by her pool.
I don't know, they have motive and there is evidence connecting them to the weapon. Sounds like enough reason to charge them to me...just sayin
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Wow I had no idea this was so epidemic. And most view teenagers and gangs for many petty crimes. My Schwinn has Serfas City Drifter Tire w/FPS (flat protection system). I'm now going to get the same brand tire my new Trek. You just never know. Thanks for all the info everyone.
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