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Old 03-09-13, 09:01 PM
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Also, What proof does she have, that they are tourists'?
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Easy solution; the tickets for riding at night without lights and operating a vehicle against the flow of traffic should be high enough that strict enforcement would bring in several times what any registration fee could possibly generate. Win-win.
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Easy solution; the tickets for riding at night without lights and operating a vehicle against the flow of traffic should be high enough that strict enforcement would bring in several times what any registration fee could possibly generate. Win-win.
I like that! Increase the fine for riding without a front light to $300. Salmons get dinged $300 as well.
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Originally Posted by KD5NRH View Post
Easy solution; the tickets for riding at night without lights and operating a vehicle against the flow of traffic should be high enough that strict enforcement would bring in several times what any registration fee could possibly generate. Win-win.
Or we could just enforce our traffic laws for all users. It takes 20 points in five years to get one's license suspended. It would take the average motorist in Oregon about a week to get those 20 points with strict enforcement. At that point, all traffic will be on bikes, so there won't be anyone left to hate on us.
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Originally Posted by KD5NRH View Post
Easy solution; the tickets for riding at night without lights and operating a vehicle against the flow of traffic should be high enough that strict enforcement would bring in several times what any registration fee could possibly generate. Win-win.
Homeless in Texas pay their traffic tickets?
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Also, What proof does she have, that they are tourists'?
Papers please!

Too many cops expect you to prove you are innocent.
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Originally Posted by unterhausen View Post
"cyclists all run stop signs." "you didn't see me run a stop sign." "yeah, but cyclists all run stop signs"

Worrying about what motorists think of us is just this side of battered spouse syndrome. If there were more of us we wouldn't have as many problems.
Naw, we'd still be happy two-wheeled annoyances to them. As long as they aren't forced to cycle the whole thing's a soiree.
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Originally Posted by agent pombero View Post
I like that! Increase the fine for riding without a front light to $300. Salmons get dinged $300 as well.
Fish don't need a bicycle. There's a song with something about that.
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Also, What proof does she have, that they are tourists'?
Real locals have tractors? Lawn tractors at least.
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If we do have to pay registration fees they can at least clear the crud of our sidewalks all winter. That's all!
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The funny part, to me, about the original post, is that the Yamhill county farmer is complaining about the bicyclists making it difficult to move her equipment around on the roads. So the solution is to have bikes pay registration fees? Her agricultural equipment is not required to be registered, and very likely doesn't even use gas for which the tax was paid.
It's true that tractors don't have to be registered: https://www.oregonlaws.org/ors/803.305 . There's reasons for this, one obvious and logical, likely reason, is that for example, farm tractors, probably wouldn't be using the road for any other reason than to get from farm to field for working purposes. They tend to be slow, and aren't used for transportation, or for hauling goods long distances. I don't know how Oregon law looks at other ag equipment such as combines, plows, cultivators and so on.

In Oregon, including the county where the farmer lives, agriculture is an important industry. The county is mostly agricultural or forest land. Most of the roads in this area are country roads. Vineyards and wineries have become established in the area over the last twenty to thirty years. To take advantage of the beautiful countryside and roads with less motor vehicle traffic on them, people from urban population areas are increasingly coming out to the countryside for recreational riding that may include tours of the wineries. It's great that people are riding rather than driving, and enjoying everything that's here outside the city, but there may be some downsides to that activity in this setting, that people biking should be spending some effort, trying to think of good ways to counter.

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Also, What proof does she have, that they are tourists'?
I wouldn't know what proof she has, if any, but if she happens to be out on the road moving a tractor, and happens to see groups of non-racers turning into winery driveways, that might be a hint the people biking are tourists.

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Real locals have tractors? Lawn tractors at least.
Like I said above: The area the farmer lives, is, or most likely is rural. If you look at the House Rep district, which includes part of two, maybe three counties west of the I-5 corridor, most of the area included is farms or forestland. The 'lawns', fields actually...are r-e-e-a-a-l-y big ones. Lawn tractors wouldn't be worth diddly on them.
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I actually wish they would enact that nationwide. Seriously. Why? Because it would legitimize our presence on the road. What would the drivers complain about then?

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Originally Posted by agent pombero View Post
I like that! Increase the fine for riding without a front light to $300. Salmons get dinged $300 as well.
Oh, bloody good idea. Let's slap a regressive penalty for about as much as a 2-ton vehicle receives onto a 30lbs vehicle (on the heavy side), targeting the people least likely to be able to pay it. Then when they can't pay, we can throw them in jail and pay for their living expenses.

Why is the justice system here a mess, again?
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Like I said above: The area the farmer lives, is, or most likely is rural. If you look at the House Rep district, which includes part of two, maybe three counties west of the I-5 corridor, most of the area included is farms or forestland. The 'lawns', fields actually...are r-e-e-a-a-l-y big ones. Lawn tractors wouldn't be worth diddly on them.
So you use a Massey Ferguson on your front lawn?

Until the police cracked down on it, some city folks drove modified lawn tractors and golf carts around town...

Maybe your area has huge lawns but the farmers around Malheur and Payette counties (OR and ID) have regular lawns and the surrounding land is PLOWED or has outbuildings.
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It's great that people are riding rather than driving, and enjoying everything that's here outside the city, but there may be some downsides to that activity in this setting, that people biking should be spending some effort, trying to think of good ways to counter.
Maybe it's just me, but if I was riding along on the rural roads I ride all the time, and a tractor came up behind me and was going faster than me, I would let him by, even if it meant pulling off at a mail box/drive way. So far the only ones I've met have been going the other way.

Registration fees are a completely unrelated farce of a response to the original complaint.
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The farmer is vindictive.
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So you use a Massey Ferguson on your front lawn?

Until the police cracked down on it, some city folks drove modified lawn tractors and golf carts around town...

Maybe your area has huge lawns but the farmers around Malheur and Payette counties (OR and ID) have regular lawns and the surrounding land is PLOWED or has outbuildings.
I was joking about the big lawns. My knowledge as to what reasons farmers would have to be driving their agricultural equipment on the roads, is limited. One reason though, is that they... especially small, independent, rather than big corporate farmers, may be leasing fields some distance away from their home farm...requiring them to make road trips to go between fields. That's the way it is for the farmer out in Yamhill County...(part of the same district as that of the farmer that appealed to her legislative rep)... that leases a field from my family.
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Maybe it's just me, but if I was riding along on the rural roads I ride all the time, and a tractor came up behind me and was going faster than me, I would let him by, even if it meant pulling off at a mail box/drive way. So far the only ones I've met have been going the other way.

Registration fees are a completely unrelated farce of a response to the original complaint.
And that would be a commendable action on your part, and doable as well, particularly if you're riding alone or perhaps with just one or two others riding with you. Road use co-operation between modes of travel having the vast differences between them that most motor vehicles and bikes do, becomes more difficult to achieve when people driving, encounter larger groups of people riding. It can be very difficult for people driving a motor vehicles or farm equipment, to get around a large group of people on bikes.

In the rural parts of Oregon, which fortunately, still represent most of it, with the exception of Portland, Eugene and Bend, and smaller but growing cities in between along the I-5 corridor, bike tourism may be an industry with some growth potential...groups exist that are working on this. For that to happen, infrastructure and road use procedures that support coexistence of different types of road use, have to exist in a better form than they do currently. The bike registration fee proposal, though it does have some problems that likely will keep it from proceeding further at present...does seek to generate money that would be used to support use of bikes for transportation. Some routes used for biking out in the country could be made much better for everyone just by widening the road's shoulders sufficient to allow two people to ride abreast of each other.



Hwy 47 between Forest Grove and Gaston in Washington County has a shoulder that seems very wide...maybe 8' wide, which works very well for biking. That width shoulder is uncommon in Washington County. No surprise that Polk County, or many other roads in Oregon don't have wide shoulders for biking. At least certain routes in those counties could have them though. Maybe if the development and constructions costs involved in creating them were somehow marketed as tourism investments.

For those interested, the following link shows the counties across Oregon: https://www.censusfinder.com/mapor.htm.

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Ah, road shoulders. We don't have those in Polk county.

I get stuck behind farm equipment really often when I drive. When it's a convoy of 6 threshing machines they can't exactly pull over like I can on my bicycle.

I just have to remind myself that if not for the farms, the roads I like to ride (motorcycle or bicycle) wouldn't exist.
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Ah, road shoulders. We don't have those in Polk county.

I get stuck behind farm equipment really often when I drive. When it's a convoy of 6 threshing machines they can't exactly pull over like I can on my bicycle.

I just have to remind myself that if not for the farms, the roads I like to ride (motorcycle or bicycle) wouldn't exist.
Why are 6 threshing machines riding in a paceline?
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unless there is a lot of uphill, I'm usually the one passing the farm equipment.
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Oh, bloody good idea. Let's slap a regressive penalty for about as much as a 2-ton vehicle receives onto a 30lbs vehicle (on the heavy side), targeting the people least likely to be able to pay it. Then when they can't pay, we can throw them in jail and pay for their living expenses.
There's an old saying that applies perfectly here: "Can't do the time, don't do the crime."

And I'd be willing to bet that if you drove a car the wrong way in traffic with no lights at night, then tried to tell the cop you don't need lights because everybody else has them, and by driving the wrong way, you can see everybody else better to avoid them, you'd be facing a lot more than a $300 fine.
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There's an old saying that applies perfectly here: "Can't do the time, don't do the crime."

And I'd be willing to bet that if you drove a car the wrong way in traffic with no lights at night, then tried to tell the cop you don't need lights because everybody else has them, and by driving the wrong way, you can see everybody else better to avoid them, you'd be facing a lot more than a $300 fine.
Putting all the homeless in jail for not paying their $300 ticket will neither correct their behavior nor put money in the highway fund. It will raise your taxes to build more jail space, get the check book out.
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The bill proposal to register bikes in Oregon doesn't have anything to do with citing people for not having headlights on their bikes. I think it does though, include a $25 fine for resident owners that ride their bike on the road without the bike being registered. This is just one part of the bill that would make it very difficult to be a practical law. It would be a logistical nightmare trying to getting all residents bikes registered, and to keep track of registration transfers when a bike changes hands. And then of course, there's the expense of running the system, and the expense to individuals. Many people, especially homeless people, don't have the money to pay for registration or fines. Even though the bill has got some practical aspects, overall, it's mostly unworkable. Still, people should be trying to think of new, practical ways to get bike infrastructure funded.

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Originally Posted by enigmaT120 View Post
The funny part, to me, about the original post, is that the Yamhill county farmer is complaining about the bicyclists making it difficult to move her equipment around on the roads. So the solution is to have bikes pay registration fees? Her agricultural equipment is not required to be registered, and very likely doesn't even use gas for which the tax was paid.
and what is the max speed of a farm tractor? like 30-40kph?

Maybe its their brand new tax write off truck that they were "moving" to Wal-Mart and back. You know, standard "farm equipment".

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Why are 6 threshing machines riding in a paceline?
So they can chat?
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