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Old 03-05-13, 04:06 PM
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Registration fee for Oregon cyclists

Registration fee for Oregon cyclists? The conversation is starting in Salem

George tells me he introduced the bill at the request of a constituent -- a Yamhill farmer who says she has trouble moving her equipment because of all the cycling tourists on the narrow- or no-shoulder roads in the heart of wine country.
Good luck trying to get us off the road!
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I actually wish they would enact that nationwide. Seriously. Why? Because it would legitimize our presence on the road. What would the drivers complain about then?

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Originally Posted by rjkfsm View Post
What would the drivers complain about then?

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They will always find something to complain about.
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"cyclists all run stop signs." "you didn't see me run a stop sign." "yeah, but cyclists all run stop signs"

Worrying about what motorists think of us is just this side of battered spouse syndrome. If there were more of us we wouldn't have as many problems.
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"cyclists all run stop signs." "you didn't see me run a stop sign." "yeah, but cyclists all run stop signs"

Worrying about what motorists think of us is just this side of battered spouse syndrome. If there were more of us we wouldn't have as many problems.
I never had any problems back in the 1980s when there were so few of us.
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Originally Posted by rjkfsm View Post
I actually wish they would enact that nationwide. Seriously. Why? Because it would legitimize our presence on the road. What would the drivers complain about then?

Russ
Considering that even those of us who choose to not drive pay over half as much as motorists pay to build and maintain the roads while doing almost no damage whatsoever, what more do we need to do to "legitimize" our presence on the road? Our laws also say I have a legal right to ride on the road, so where's the issue? No where in the vehicle code does it say that people have a reasonable expectation that they won't have to adjust to traffic; quite the contrary, motorists are explicitly required to deal with us.
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
Considering that even those of us who choose to not drive pay over half as much as motorists pay to build and maintain the roads while doing almost no damage whatsoever, what more do we need to do to "legitimize" our presence on the road? Our laws also say I have a legal right to ride on the road, so where's the issue? No where in the vehicle code does it say that people have a reasonable expectation that they won't have to adjust to traffic; quite the contrary, motorists are explicitly required to deal with us.
And sadly, we cyclist have to deal with the traffic jams they cause. I guess it already goes both ways.
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Naming my next band The Yamhill Farmers.
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Naming my next band The Yamhill Farmers.
Take a tour with your 700 band members through Yamhill county to drive the residents bonkers
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they got bike registration in Charleston, SC. And they will bust you if you attempt to park your bike outside of a business along the street in Charleston if you don't have the sticker.

https://www.charlestoncity.info/dept/...d=235&cid=8299
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Originally Posted by gpsblake View Post
they got bike registration in Charleston, SC. And they will bust you if you attempt to park your bike outside of a business along the street in Charleston if you don't have the sticker.

https://www.charlestoncity.info/dept/...d=235&cid=8299
How much $$$ does the city pull in from this scheme?
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There is no registration fee in the county I live in. But I had my bike registered so, it would be easier to retrieve, if it got stolen.

But as for a fee(if they were ever to enact one), they can take a hike.

Because bikes don't even come close to the amount of wear n' tear done to the roads, by motorized vehicles.
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Originally Posted by gpsblake View Post
they got bike registration in Charleston, SC. And they will bust you if you attempt to park your bike outside of a business along the street in Charleston if you don't have the sticker.

https://www.charlestoncity.info/dept/...d=235&cid=8299
Here's a big steaming pile from that linky:

The biggest benefit is that the serial numbers are forever recorded with CPD. If your bicycle is ever stolen, here or elsewhere, you only need to tell the officer it has a City of Charleston license and he can call CPD dispatch to get the necessary numbers to file his report. It helps Police return your bike to if it is recovered.
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I was suspicious of that as well. Biggest = superlative. What are the other benefits that are not being mentioned?
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The Charleston system is also a pain in the (blank) if you are touring in for the day, you still are required to get the license by stopping at the police station. How much do they rake up in fees? I'm betting several $10,000s a year. What would suck is if other cities in South Carolina started to charge a license fee like Myrtle Beach or Georgetown, or Columbia, or some entire counties.... Having to pay several license fees a year to ride around the state, which just becomes silly.
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Originally Posted by gpsblake View Post
The Charleston system is also a pain in the (blank) if you are touring in for the day, you still are required to get the license by stopping at the police station. How much do they rake up in fees? I'm betting several $10,000s a year. What would suck is if other cities in South Carolina started to charge a license fee like Myrtle Beach or Georgetown, or Columbia, or some entire counties.... Having to pay several license fees a year to ride around the state, which just becomes silly.
Whoa! Paying fees city by city? There is a scary thought, especially for people touring.
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Originally Posted by rjkfsm View Post
I actually wish they would enact that nationwide. Seriously. Why? Because it would legitimize our presence on the road. What would the drivers complain about then?

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Works well with car drivers
If Im on the road, my presence is legitimate.

Originally Posted by gpsblake View Post
they got bike registration in Charleston, SC. And they will bust you if you attempt to park your bike outside of a business along the street in Charleston if you don't have the sticker.

https://www.charlestoncity.info/dept/...d=235&cid=8299
I would have thought you were kidding. Between the development and the Pols, Charleston is getting Floridified in a positively frightening manner. I hope some sanity prevails in this once fabulous area before its too late.
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Originally Posted by gpsblake View Post
The Charleston system is also a pain in the (blank) if you are touring in for the day, you still are required to get the license by stopping at the police station. How much do they rake up in fees? I'm betting several $10,000s a year. What would suck is if other cities in South Carolina started to charge a license fee like Myrtle Beach or Georgetown, or Columbia, or some entire counties.... Having to pay several license fees a year to ride around the state, which just becomes silly.
That would run into an interstate commerce-based constitutional challenge very quickly, and I suspect the law/fee would fail. Not that I would want to be a test case or anything.
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That's funny, because on the rural road where my mom lives, farmers moving their equipment from field to field are the biggest cause of traffic jams.
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Hey------------you have an amazingly great point there. Driver get their underlovlies in a bunch about cyclist slowing them down. What about drivers that cause a traffic jams, and total gridlock that slows up or stop cyclist. I guess when you apply a little thot to the whole traffic situation, it can go both way. Thanks!!!!!

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Originally Posted by Poguemahone View Post
That would run into an interstate commerce-based constitutional challenge very quickly, and I suspect the law/fee would fail. Not that I would want to be a test case or anything.
Just what I was thinking or a FF&C claim. This is why most states that require boating licenses allow out of state boats to operate for a limited amount of time without having to acquire a license.
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The Oregonian story OP pombero provided the link to is (or wasn't...see note below.) not very informative; doesn't give a number for the bill, though the text of the bill is posted to the legislature website...Senate bill 769: https://landru.leg.state.or.us/13reg/...769.intro.html

These things can be a challenge to read...don't give up if you want the straight scoop. Somebody put a fair amount of thought into crafting the bill. Created as part of the bill would be something called: 'The Bicycle Transportation Improvement Fund', revenue going specifically to bike projects. Non-residents would not be subject to the fee. If your child 11 or younger is stopped for not having the sticker, the parent gets the $25 citation. There's other things as well...transference of registration, etc.

There does need to be a wider, in depth public discussion of needs of Oregon's growing state population, different means of transportation it relies upon to get around, and the bearing that has on resources and infrastructure. It's not yet widely enough understood how people that bike currently fund road infrastructure, and what role biking can play in reducing travel needs on the road made by motor vehicle use. Agriculture and forestry certainly are big, important industries in Oregon, but the state is diversifying. It has to diversify. Bike recreation very well could be a growing industry for rural Oregon. New industries are something many of the state's rural counties desperately need. Despite all of that, when they really sit down to discuss it, I think the legislators are going to have a very hard time finding that bike registration can be practical for any of the reasons bike registration plans are conceived of and run by government.

Here's a couple links to info about the sponsoring senator:

https://gov.oregonlive.com/legislators/Larry-George/

Notice the map of his district. It's a big district, mostly rural, with a number of growing cities. There is a legitimate need to address use of the roads by increasing numbers of non-ag residents and recreational riders out in this district, by means that can continue to support the important agricultural industry in this district. There's beautiful riding out there, flat, rolling, wineries, the river.

Click on his biography page too. Not a lot there, but he's got a substantial resume, lots of solid experience. He voted against the most recent senate CRC vote (the big money guzzling bridge across the Columbia River project.). https://www.leg.state.or.us/georgel/


Note: might have missed it, or the story was updated to include it, but I noticed the Oregonian story does now include a link to Senate bill 769.

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The funny part, to me, about the original post, is that the Yamhill county farmer is complaining about the bicyclists making it difficult to move her equipment around on the roads. So the solution is to have bikes pay registration fees? Her agricultural equipment is not required to be registered, and very likely doesn't even use gas for which the tax was paid.
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Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
And sadly, we cyclist have to deal with the traffic jams they cause. I guess it already goes both ways.
Where I live, the city sidestreets are so narrow, on the two-way ones cars constantly stop and have to play who-has-RTW games. I have these carborne inconveniences visited upon me a few times on every ride home, yet I never feel compelled to throw anything at them or tell them to drive their suv's on the sidewalk.
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The funny part, to me, about the original post, is that the Yamhill county farmer is complaining about the bicyclists making it difficult to move her equipment around on the roads. So the solution is to have bikes pay registration fees? Her agricultural equipment is not required to be registered, and very likely doesn't even use gas for which the tax was paid.
And if she is like the other so-called farmers I know, that off-road untaxed fuel finds its way into many a personal vehicle that does drive on the road. It's been over a decade since the last time I knew of a fuel color check, and that was only checking on trucks at truck scales. No one checks the color of the fuel in personal vehicles. Heck, we don't have enough law enforcement to keep the jails open in this state.
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