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Old 04-28-13, 07:27 AM
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And you guys wonder why people try to run you over

I took a cruise on little Miami scenic trail yesterday. About a mile from where I hit the trail you go into Loveland Oh. About the time I got into Loveland a jackass in full roadie gear passes me . Now The town is having a farmer market and the are people with strollers .. little kids, older folks all kinds of pedestrians every where . The jackass blows through every stop sign is weaving through the crowd at 4 times the speed you should and was acting pissed because people were in his way. He must have stopped at the rest rooms going out of town because he blew by me and through the last stop sign in town again . This town is very bike friendy Jackasses like this make us all look bad .

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We are recreational riders - probably considered novices by most. Our regular rides consist of 13 - 20 mile excursions on country highways near where we live. NEVER before have we been exposed to an area where the biking community was so respected and welcomed by the locals. We were not used to being waved across by motorists at EVERY intersection where the trail and a street crossed. This area literally caters to bikers. Wow! We drove over 2 1/2 hours from KY just to ride this trail. We were not disappointed. We began our ride at the Milford trailhead and headed north. We were encouraged by the number of other bikers - of all skill levels and of all ages on the trail. Everyone was so friendly. Our one "bad experience" occured barely 14 miles into our ride. While riding single file - my wife and I were about to meet a foursome of single file riders - coming from the opposite direction - when they were overtaken from behind by a group of..."over zealous" (the nicest term I can think of) speed bikers who basically passed the foursome just as we were meeting them. They literaly ran my wife off onto the wet grass where whe promptly lost control and wrecked. THEY NEVER STOPPED. The foursome we were in the process of meeting did stop and one of the ladies was a first aid instructor and was prepared with supplies...and they got my wife fixed up and she was riding again in a few minutes. (She hurt her knee, shoulder and there is a scrape on her helmet where it hit the pavement.) Thank you - to this group of Good Samaritans who stopped to help two complete strangers! Other than that lone incident - we had a ball and plan to come back. A word to the wise...always be prepared. (We weren't.) Carry first aid supplies and be prepared for a flat - although we didn't have one - we saw some folks who did. Some areas of the trail are quite a distance away from access streets, etc. Loveland is a neat place - a "must see" for everyone to visit and experience. Milford is a neat place as well. This trail exceeded all of our
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And if you are the above mentioned jackass (red and white jersey & matching gear) around 2:00 p.m feel free to p.m. me I'm the fat guy on a surly that yelled Hey Jackass that red sign means stop! Although since you dug in and got on down the trail in a hurry I doubt you have the nerve

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Old 04-28-13, 08:19 AM
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I'm not a racer by any means, but I tend to ride a bit faster than the typical "recreational rider" on our local MUPs. I've had far fewer problems with overly aggressive roadies than with other users; families out for a walk four-abreast, people pushing baby carriages, people with little kids on bikes wobbling all over the trail, people walking dogs, groups on rollerblades, etc.

The problem as it see it is a lack of situational awareness on the part of a lot of trail users, coupled with inflated egos and short tempers. I'll try to adjust my speed when I'm coming up on other groups so I don't get caught in the middle of anything, like slower riders passing walkers or two groups passing in opposite directions. It's not always easy.

I actually nearly got in a fist fight yesterday with someone who thought I passed a little too closely to his 6-year old on a bicycle (I didn't). He believed that He and His Daughter has some kind of superior right to the trail and everyone else needed to adjust to them. I'm not willing to throw down over minor infractions of MUP etiquette but if I had been, there would have been another eager participant. I made fun of him instead.

Bottom line - take care of your own behavior and it may surprise you how few problems you'll run it to. Do not force others to adapt to your lack of courtesy. That goes no less for needlessly obstructing the trail than for riding too aggressively.
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Old 04-28-13, 08:23 AM
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Sooo, when you see a car violate a traffic law, do you think THAT is justification for trying to run some other random car off the road?

Why the hell not? You seem to think it's OK to do that to cyclists.
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Originally Posted by achoo View Post
Sooo, when you see a car violate a traffic law, do you think THAT is justification for trying to run some other random car off the road?

Why the hell not? You seem to think it's OK to do that to cyclists.
I hope you're not talking to me.
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Old 04-28-13, 08:30 AM
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There are people in all groups that are jack tards. I have no problem, and welcome it, penalizing them with tickets, etc. for endangering others, etc.
It gives us all a bad name whether they are in full race kit or jeans and a tshirt makes no difference. Stay to the right, obey traffic laws, be aware of others and yield to pedestrians.
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Originally Posted by rxmoore View Post
I hope you're not talking to me.
Nope - sorry about any confusion.

I wonder if plumberroy has the stones to actually answer that question, though.

Because he apparently thinks just because he sees a cyclist breaking the law it's OK to endanger the lives of OTHER cyclists. I wonder if he therefore thinks that the next time he gets passed by a speeding DRIVER he'd think that was justification for running some other random car off the road.

If he doesn't think seeing a scofflaw driver is justification for assaulting all drivers, I'd like to know WHY THE HELL DOES HE THINK IT'S JUSTIFICATION TO ASSAULT CYCLISTS?

"And you wonder why people try to run you over"?

What the hell?
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Old 04-28-13, 09:04 AM
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so let me ask the OP, do you feel like this guy's behavior is justification for people trying to run you over?
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Old 04-28-13, 11:02 AM
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Originally Posted by rxmoore View Post
I'm not a racer by any means, but I tend to ride a bit faster than the typical "recreational rider" on our local MUPs. I've had far fewer problems with overly aggressive roadies than with other users; families out for a walk four-abreast, people pushing baby carriages, people with little kids on bikes wobbling all over the trail, people walking dogs, groups on rollerblades, etc.

The problem as it see it is a lack of situational awareness on the part of a lot of trail users, coupled with inflated egos and short tempers. I'll try to adjust my speed when I'm coming up on other groups so I don't get caught in the middle of anything, like slower riders passing walkers or two groups passing in opposite directions. It's not always easy.

I actually nearly got in a fist fight yesterday with someone who thought I passed a little too closely to his 6-year old on a bicycle (I didn't). He believed that He and His Daughter has some kind of superior right to the trail and everyone else needed to adjust to them. I'm not willing to throw down over minor infractions of MUP etiquette but if I had been, there would have been another eager participant. I made fun of him instead.

Bottom line - take care of your own behavior and it may surprise you how few problems you'll run it to. Do not force others to adapt to your lack of courtesy. That goes no less for needlessly obstructing the trail than for riding too aggressively.

I agree that a MUP is no place to ride fast. Walkers, dogs kids many people not paying attention, etc. That's why anyone riding a bike on a MUP should ride SLOW. At all times. Train in the road.

There is no "trying". It's never "not always easy". You just go slow, pay attention and ride safe. Always.

Not saying that any of this excuses all categories of inconsiderate MUP users. There is plenty of that agreed. This is about YOU taking care of YOUR responsibility to ride safe on MUPs.

I'd confront you too if you were flying down a MUP past my six year old. Little kids don't know any better. They lack judgement and experience and are easily distracted. They are little kids for christ's sake. Slow down.

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Old 04-28-13, 11:04 AM
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Originally Posted by achoo View Post
Nope - sorry about any confusion.

I wonder if plumberroy has the stones to actually answer that question, though.

Because he apparently thinks just because he sees a cyclist breaking the law it's OK to endanger the lives of OTHER cyclists. I wonder if he therefore thinks that the next time he gets passed by a speeding DRIVER he'd think that was justification for running some other random car off the road.

If he doesn't think seeing a scofflaw driver is justification for assaulting all drivers, I'd like to know WHY THE HELL DOES HE THINK IT'S JUSTIFICATION TO ASSAULT CYCLISTS?

"And you wonder why people try to run you over"?

What the hell?
No it is not justication to assalt cyclist or if in a car the run some one else off the road. But all reason goes out the window with a lot of people when they perceive their children , parents or spouse is put in danger or hurt . Some dumbass knocks some rednecks teen agers granny down and you just happen to be riding down the rode 2 hours later on a similar bike and the same jersey you are lible to get pushed off the road. Is it right ? no, but that doesn't mean it won't happen. running through a crowded festival at 15 mph is reckless and blowing through stop signs is unacceptable on any vehicle.
Since I ride often enough to be considered a cyclist you do something that reflects bad on us I am going to say something to you.
As rxmoore said once some one thinks you indangered their loved one right , wrong justified or legallity go out the window

I to have more problems with walker/joggers and people with the 30 ft extendable dog leashes but I slow down or stop

Bottom line is it only takes a couple of dumbasses to give us all a bad name . Justified or not that dumbasses actions may get you or me run off the road
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I agree that a MUP is no place to ride fast. Walkers, dogs kids many people not paying attention, etc. That's why anyone riding a bike on a MUP should ride SLOW. At all times. Train in the road.

There is no "trying". It's never "not always easy". You just go slow, pay attention and ride safe. Always.

Not saying that any of this excuses all categories of inconsiderate MUP users. There is plenty of that agreed. This is about YOU taking care of YOUR responsibility to ride safe on MUPs.

I'd confront you too if you were flying down a MUP past my six year old. Little kids don't know any better. They lack judgement and experience and are easily distracted. They are little kids for christ's sake. Slow down.
You really need to pay attention, because I can't understand where you got the impression that anyone was flying anywhere. If you would have confronted me for in this situation then you would have been wrong, just like that idiot was.

People who bring kids and dogs out onto a public trail have the responsibility to keep them under control as best they can. Daddy, in this case, was allowing his little girl to wander all over the trail. I waited until they got around the runner in front of them, let them know I was there, and passed them on the left at a speed of 10 or 11 mph. I never got closer than 3 feet, close enough to spook her a little I guess, but not to present any danger to her. Why he was letting her ride in the center of the trail while HE was the one hugging the right edge is beyond me.

A MUP is a public resource and need not be geared to the lowest common denominator.
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Originally Posted by rxmoore View Post
You really need to pay attention, because I can't understand where you got the impression that anyone was flying anywhere. If you would have confronted me for in this situation then you would have been wrong, just like that idiot was.

People who bring kids and dogs out onto a public trail have the responsibility to keep them under control as best they can. Daddy, in this case, was allowing his little girl to wander all over the trail. I waited until they got around the runner in front of them, let them know I was there, and passed them on the left at a speed of 10 or 11 mph. I never got closer than 3 feet, close enough to spook her a little I guess, but not to present any danger to her. Why he was letting her ride in the center of the trail while HE was the one hugging the right edge is beyond me.

A MUP is a public resource and need not be geared to the lowest common denominator.
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I heard you loud and clear. Didnt expect you to hear me. You better hope you dont run down my little kid on a MUP.
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Originally Posted by jerseyJim View Post
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I heard you loud and clear. Didnt expect you to hear me. You better hope you dont run down my little kid on a MUP.
Sorry. Didn't realize you were "challenged" in that way.
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Originally Posted by rxmoore View Post
I'm not a racer by any means, but I tend to ride a bit faster than the typical "recreational rider" on our local MUPs. I've had far fewer problems with overly aggressive roadies than with other users; families out for a walk four-abreast, people pushing baby carriages, people with little kids on bikes wobbling all over the trail, people walking dogs, groups on rollerblades, etc.

The problem as it see it is a lack of situational awareness on the part of a lot of trail users, coupled with inflated egos and short tempers. I'll try to adjust my speed when I'm coming up on other groups so I don't get caught in the middle of anything, like slower riders passing walkers or two groups passing in opposite directions. It's not always easy.

I actually nearly got in a fist fight yesterday with someone who thought I passed a little too closely to his 6-year old on a bicycle (I didn't). He believed that He and His Daughter has some kind of superior right to the trail and everyone else needed to adjust to them. I'm not willing to throw down over minor infractions of MUP etiquette but if I had been, there would have been another eager participant. I made fun of him instead.

Bottom line - take care of your own behavior and it may surprise you how few problems you'll run it to. Do not force others to adapt to your lack of courtesy. That goes no less for needlessly obstructing the trail than for riding too aggressively.
So when you ride your bike on the roads used by automobiles, do you anticipate that the motorists should watch out for you and perhaps slow down and move over when in your presence? Or should drivers just fly by you as close as possible (and if they don't hit you, then obviously it was a clean miss.)

We all need to learn to share the facilities, be they road, or MUP and respect the other users.
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So when you ride your bike on the roads used by automobiles, do you anticipate that the motorists should watch out for you and perhaps slow down and move over when in your presence? Or should drivers just fly by you as close as possible (and if they don't hit you, then obviously it was a clean miss.)

We all need to learn to share the facilities, be they road, or MUP and respect the other users.
So now we have two people with reading comprehension issues.

How far from this kid is far enough in your estimation? Three feet apparently isn't.

Should I have sat down on a park bench and waited until they got back to the parking lot? Gotten off my bike and ran past them?
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Children are unpredictable. Whether I'm driving down the road in my car and I see a kid chasing a ball toward the road, or a kid on a bike wandering all over the trail, I'm going to slow down and give them a wide berth. Even though I'm legally not required to slow down to 5-10 mph, I don't want to be responsible for running over a kid.
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Originally Posted by rxmoore View Post

How far from this kid is far enough in your estimation? Three feet apparently isn't.
at a slow roll that you can stop in 3 feet that is plenty if you were doing 12-15 mph it is to close
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That's why anyone riding a bike on a MUP should ride SLOW. At all times.
Depends on the conditions. If you have a clear line of sight and there's no people, you don't need to ride slow.

Little kids don't know any better. They lack judgement and experience and are easily distracted. They are little kids for christ's sake. Slow down.
Parents need to share some responsibility and take care of their kids. They need to recognize that while cyclists should slow down, it doesn't always happen so they (parents) should keep an eye on their kids.
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Read your mup rules! Here in Ohio slowest person always has the right a way
It comes down to this . We get lumped together as cyclist. you can choose to be a positive influence or a negitive influence . Generally some one witnessing a positive action will tell 2-3 people, some one witnessing a negitive action will tell 10 people . It is human nature .
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still curious if you think the negative cyclists make it ok for people to want to run you over
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You have mup rules? Ours are limited to dodging the homeless people and coyotes at dusk.
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You really need to pay attention, because I can't understand where you got the impression that anyone was flying anywhere. If you would have confronted me for in this situation then you would have been wrong, just like that idiot was.

People who bring kids and dogs out onto a public trail have the responsibility to keep them under control as best they can. Daddy, in this case, was allowing his little girl to wander all over the trail. I waited until they got around the runner in front of them, let them know I was there, and passed them on the left at a speed of 10 or 11 mph. I never got closer than 3 feet, close enough to spook her a little I guess, but not to present any danger to her. Why he was letting her ride in the center of the trail while HE was the one hugging the right edge is beyond me.

A MUP is a public resource and need not be geared to the lowest common denominator.

Whether your 10-11 mph speed was too fast for the situation you described, depends on other factors as well, such as, how fast the little girl and her father were traveling, and how heavy traffic on the path was at the time. If they were traveling, say, 9 mph, then your speed of 10-11 mph sounds about right. On a MUP, people riding that want to pass slower traffic, only need to be going a couple mph faster. In the case of little kids and pets, anything can happen. They sometimes wander from one side of the path to the other and off the path too, even as the parent is calling out, trying to keep them where they're supposed to be for their safety and the convenience of other people using the path. Expect and be prepared for the worst.

Riding MUP's, I sometimes come to a complete stop, to give parents or pet owners a few seconds to get their charges back under control. Reasonable expectations from certain MUP's may be different from others. If a parent or pet owner was having their kid or pet all over the path during a time when the path was busy with commuter traffic, that could be cause for complaint. Seems though, that MUP's tend more to be recreational in nature, where kids and pets all over the path can be expected.
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still curious if you think the negative cyclists make it ok for people to want to run you over
go back and read post#9
No it is not justication to assalt cyclist or if in a car the run some one else off the road. But all reason goes out the window with a lot of people when they perceive their children , parents or spouse is put in danger or hurt . Some dumbass knocks some rednecks teen agers granny down and you just happen to be riding down the rode 2 hours later on a similar bike and the same jersey you are lible to get pushed off the road. Is it right ? no, but that doesn't mean it won't happen.
Just because it isn't ok, right, justified or legal does not stop some one from doing it . usually it is some "thinks he's a tough guy " wheather it is a redneck or gangbanger chances are He isn't going to take the time to make sure it is the one who offended him .
goes something like this
red Jersey, check
road bike, check
get him!!!!
I am a realist , justified or not it happens . I am an old school hillbilly you do something that reflects bad on me I will call you on it.
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so let me ask the OP, do you feel like this guy's behavior is justification for people trying to run you over?
Ditto!! Two days ago, I was in full roadie gear, following a 'long distance' bike ride. I was in the outside left-turn lane, about 20yds. from the intersection when some moron pulls out of the parking lot of a local shopping center, nearly hitting me and acting like he didn't even see me, topping it off with a 'Sorry'(remember the moose in National Lampoon's Vacation said that when the Griswolds couldn't enter the amusement park) kind of attitude.

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Originally Posted by GP View Post
You have mup rules? Ours are limited to dodging the homeless people and coyotes at dusk.
what, you just run over the small critters
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Originally Posted by rxmoore View Post
You really need to pay attention, because I can't understand where you got the impression that anyone was flying anywhere. If you would have confronted me for in this situation then you would have been wrong, just like that idiot was.

People who bring kids and dogs out onto a public trail have the responsibility to keep them under control as best they can. Daddy, in this case, was allowing his little girl to wander all over the trail. I waited until they got around the runner in front of them, let them know I was there, and passed them on the left at a speed of 10 or 11 mph. I never got closer than 3 feet, close enough to spook her a little I guess, but not to present any danger to her. Why he was letting her ride in the center of the trail while HE was the one hugging the right edge is beyond me.

A MUP is a public resource and need not be geared to the lowest common denominator.
There's the problem. Don't let your sex life scare the horses and don't ever scare the children. No, there's nothing illegal about being an asshat, but it is never going to make your life or the life of anyone you encounter better. If the child has frightening experiences while she is learning to ride a bike on a bike path, then she likely will never use a bike for recreation or transportation. You're just creating another cyclist-hating motorist, maybe several if we count her parents. Way to go, jack.

Just pretend you're a responsible adult and honor the unwritten kiddie right-of-way rule. If you have to dismount and run past, do it with a smile and a word of encouragement.
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