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mconlonx 06-30-13 07:06 AM


Originally Posted by Chris516 (Post 15797684)
I know that looks has very little to do with the law, and that his attorneys' are probably trying to stall to the point that, the witnesses are either dead, or have completely forgotten what happened.

Yes, it's called "due process," and taking shortcuts might result in decisions you'd really not like...

ZmanKC 06-30-13 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 15798485)
Yes, it's called "due process," and taking shortcuts might result in decisions you'd really not like...

1He killed Christophe Le Canne in January of 2010, 3½ years ago. It certainly doesn't appear to be a rush to judgement.

mconlonx 06-30-13 12:59 PM


Originally Posted by ZmanKC (Post 15798883)
1He killed Christophe Le Canne in January of 2010, 3½ years ago. It certainly doesn't appear to be a rush to judgement.

...and I'd hate to see verdicts overturned because the judge pushed the schedule past the norm somehow that a good defense attorney could leverage.

Again, find me a case over which she presided which took less time in a case similar to this one and then everyone has a leg to stand on. Until then, just so much poutrage.

Chris516 06-30-13 11:33 PM


Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 15798485)
Yes, it's called "due process," and taking shortcuts might result in decisions you'd really not like...

I am not suggesting the taking of shortcuts, and yes, I know about 'due process'. But three years of stalling with no judicial reprimand from the same judge that was assigned to the case when it was first brought to the court's notice. Something is up.

mconlonx 07-01-13 08:21 AM


Originally Posted by Chris516 (Post 15801115)
I am not suggesting the taking of shortcuts, and yes, I know about 'due process'. But three years of stalling with no judicial reprimand from the same judge that was assigned to the case when it was first brought to the court's notice. Something is up.

What is up?


Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 15799306)
Again, find me a case over which she presided which took less time in a case similar to this one and then everyone has a leg to stand on. Until then, just so much poutrage.

:rolleyes:

I-Like-To-Bike 07-01-13 08:34 AM


Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 15801868)
What is up?
:rolleyes:

The stock market is up today. Maybe the A&S Crystal Ball Reader can read his tea leaves and tell if it will be up tomorrow too.

Essex 07-01-13 08:37 AM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 15801916)
The stock market is up today. Maybe the A&S Crystal Ball Reader can read his tea leaves and tell if it will be up tomorrow too.

I would like to buy one of these. Where do I line up? And if possible, with Bertonatti stripes on the base.

KCNEWF 07-03-13 11:04 AM

Unfortunately, chances are he will only be sentenced to 3.5 years plus credit for time served . . . meaning no prison time.

I-Like-To-Bike 07-03-13 11:52 AM


Originally Posted by KCNEWF (Post 15810896)
Unfortunately, chances are he will only be sentenced to 3.5 years plus credit for time served . . . meaning no prison time.

3.5 + 0 = 0 ? Must be the new math.

dynodonn 07-14-13 09:50 AM


Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 15793357)
http://www.aventurausa.com/abj/image...wyn_miller.jpg

Um... OK... can't tell much by this.



The only thing that I can tell from this picture is that this judge resembles nothing even remotely in appearance to the judges I remember standing in front of.

mconlonx 07-14-13 09:59 AM


Originally Posted by no motor? (Post 15849338)
Right.......


Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 15799306)
Again, find me a case over which she presided which took less time in a case similar to this one and then everyone has a leg to stand on. Until then, just so much poutrage.

Prove me wrong. All records regarding her court and proceedings are public.

Chris516 07-14-13 12:12 PM


Originally Posted by mconlonx (Post 15801868)
What is up?

Now the judge took some action. Back on July 2, 2013 a SUBPOENA DUCES TECUM RETURN OF SERVICE was filed. That means that Carlos Bertonatti's defense team has to produce evidence supporting their client

CB HI 07-14-13 11:54 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 15811094)
3.5 + 0 = 0 ? Must be the new math.

You are correct,
3.5 years jail time + 0 Years prison time = 0 Years prison time

northernlights 07-16-13 07:59 PM


Originally Posted by KCNEWF (Post 15810896)
Unfortunately, chances are he will only be sentenced to 3.5 years plus credit for time served . . . meaning no prison time.

More than what Michael Traverson got for killing a cyclist last year on the same stretch of road, which was nothing. Traverson admitted to the hit and run killing of cyclist Aaron Cohen shortly after leaving a bar but received no jail time for it. And he avoided the DUI charge by waiting 12 hours before turning himself in, by then too late to test him for alcohol. No jail, no prison time for him. Good way to encourage people to flee the scene of an accident.

In the eyes of the law the life of a cyclist is essentially worthless.

FBinNY 07-16-13 08:04 PM


Originally Posted by northernlights (Post 15858649)

....In the eyes of the law the life of a cyclist is essentially worthless.

Not dealing with the issue of reasonable sentences for DWI with fatalities, or leaving the scene in these cases.

But before we start feeling sorry for ourselves, I'd like to see some evidence that the courts treat cyclist fatalities differently than other MV fatalities under comparable conditions.

Essex 07-17-13 05:24 AM


Originally Posted by northernlights (Post 15858649)
More than what Michael Traverson got for killing a cyclist last year on the same stretch of road, which was nothing. Traverson admitted to the hit and run killing of cyclist Aaron Cohen shortly after leaving a bar but received no jail time for it. And he avoided the DUI charge by waiting 12 hours before turning himself in, by then too late to test him for alcohol. No jail, no prison time for him. Good way to encourage people to flee the scene of an accident. In the eyes of the law the life of a cyclist is essentially worthless.


He didn't get much which is a total bummer, but he did get something. I like the fact his father tried to conceal his crime. Too bad they couldn't get that jerk as an accessory to murder. :(

http://www.duimiamilawyer.com/Miami-...ay-Cyclis.aspx

CbadRider 07-18-13 10:13 AM

I deleted the posts discussing the Trayvon Martin case since those belong in P&R. And since there is now a moratorium on Martin/Zimmerman threads in P&R because they got so out of hand, you'll have to go somewhere else to discuss that case.

Thanks for your cooperation with this.

Chris516 07-18-13 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by CbadRider (Post 15863800)
I deleted the posts discussing the Trayvon Martin case since those belong in P&R. And since there is now a moratorium on Martin/Zimmerman threads in P&R because they got so out of hand, you'll have to go somewhere else to discuss that case.

Thanks for your cooperation with this.

Thank you. Even though I didn't post about the case, I didn't like those posts' myself. Because the Martin/Zimmerman case has nothing to do with Carlos Bertonatti.

delcrossv 07-18-13 01:54 PM


Originally Posted by dynodonn (Post 15849357)
The only thing that I can tell from this picture is that this judge resembles nothing even remotely in appearance to the judges I remember standing in front of.

No Kidding. I wanna be a Florida lawyer. ;)

KCNEWF 09-05-13 01:31 PM

Based on the link in the original post, sentencing is set for 9/9/2013 @ 10:00 am central.

Anyone betting the scum bag gets a light sentence with credit for time served . . . . resulting in a release of the scum bag to probation? Or is the scum bag going away for a long time?

no motor? 09-05-13 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by KCNEWF (Post 16034841)
Based on the link in the original post, sentencing is set for 9/9/2013 @ 10:00 am central.

Anyone betting the scum bag gets a light sentence with credit for time served . . . . resulting in a release of the scum bag to probation? Or is the scum bag going away for a long time?

I bet he'll get off with minimal sentence, if any.

rydabent 09-05-13 10:15 PM

Keep us posted please.

Chris516 09-06-13 02:39 PM


Originally Posted by rydabent (Post 16036328)
Keep us posted please.

Depositions have been taken from five witnesses.

Chris516 09-06-13 02:42 PM


Originally Posted by no motor? (Post 16035087)
I bet he'll get off with minimal sentence, if any.


Originally Posted by KCNEWF (Post 16034841)
Based on the link in the original post, sentencing is set for 9/9/2013 @ 10:00 am central.

Anyone betting the scum bag gets a light sentence with credit for time served . . . . resulting in a release of the scum bag to probation? Or is the scum bag going away for a long time?

The docket shows no sentencing being scheduled for 9-9-2013

KCNEWF 09-06-13 05:18 PM

I apologize. It appears I misinterpreted line #397 pf the docket (link in the original post) which states

"REPORT RE: SENTENCING SET FOR 09/09/2013 AT 10:00"

My original interpretation was that sentencing was scheduled. I now see that as more likely to be a pre-sentencing report.

Justice is slow, but at least the scum bag is sitting in jail rather than bonded out. I can only hope he has been introduced to the old jail time favorite game of "drop the soap".


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