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A grim reminder that bicyclists need to obey traffic signals

Old 05-06-13, 04:53 PM
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Originally Posted by njkayaker View Post
I doubt you'd find anybody (even the "kitted" cyclists) here would would disagree with you that doing that is bad.


What doesn't make sense is how you get "many cyclists blow through stops habitually" from "several" cyclists not stopping in one place.

You are making overly broad generalizations from much too little data.
Several at that crossing and at every crossing from loveland up to ceasars creek several every day around the campus of University of Cincinnati I work in the area I see a few run lights around Cincinnati State,I drive by there daily.
Shaker trace trail at miami whitewater forrest Greatparks.org if you want to look it up .
The only mup I have not seen some one blow through a stop at speed is the 5 1/2 mile along the great miami mainly because it doesn't have crossings . In riding and driving to work since the weather broke . I think 100 people a month I have seen blowing through as described above would be a conservitive number. It gets people killed . Weather you do it on a bike or car I have been there with our son . And I work in a level 1 trauma center I see mothers collapse when told their child didn't make. I see brothers and sisters sitting on the floor trembling and sobbing . I have seen doctors and nurses crying because they couldn't do enough
Besides if one of you gets run over who would I argue with ?
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Originally Posted by plumberroy View Post
Several at that crossing and at every crossing from loveland up to ceasars creek several every day around the campus of University of Cincinnati I work in the area I see a few run lights around Cincinnati State,I drive by there daily.
Shaker trace trail at miami whitewater forrest Greatparks.org if you want to look it up .
The only mup I have not seen some one blow through a stop at speed is the 5 1/2 mile along the great miami mainly because it doesn't have crossings . In riding and driving to work since the weather broke . I think 100 people a month I have seen blowing through as described above would be a conservitive number. It gets people killed . Weather you do it on a bike or car I have been there with our son . And I work in a level 1 trauma center I see mothers collapse when told their child didn't make. I see brothers and sisters sitting on the floor trembling and sobbing . I have seen doctors and nurses crying because they couldn't do enough
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"Several" means "not many".

You imply that many cyclists do it everywhere. In fact, you have no idea what the frequency of cyclists "blowing stops" is!

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I think 100 people a month I have seen blowing through as described above would be a conservitive number.
You really have no idea how many people are doing what you say they are doing.

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It gets people killed . Weather you do it on a bike or car I have been there with our son . And I work in a level 1 trauma center I see mothers collapse when told their child didn't make. I see brothers and sisters sitting on the floor trembling and sobbing . I have seen doctors and nurses crying because they couldn't do enough
??? What are you talking about? All of these are cyclists "blowing stops"??

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Besides if one of you gets run over who would I argue with ?
No one here has suggested that "blowing through stops" is OK to do!

You appear to be arguing with the voices in your head (you aren't arguing with anybody here).
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That post got cut off some how. There are several other crossings on that section of trail 3 or 4 on shaker trace mup the most common place I ride . I work around U.C. (go bearcats!) and have to pass Cincinnati state to and from work I commonly see people on bikes go through stops as I descibed above easily 100 times a month during good weather I saw a guy do it this morning go through with straight ahead traffic was red and the left turn arrow was green He buzzed down the right side past stopped cars tapped his brake levers and shot through I doubt he was below 10 mph this was before 7:00 a.m this morning
I can see rolling up slowing way down looking both ways and going on if it is safe
Since I made up my mind to get back in shape I ride every chance I get plus I work around the collage campuses mentioned Above. Around here in my area close to half of the adult riders go through stops like this I am speaking about the greater Cincinnati area only because that is where I live and ride
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Originally Posted by plumberroy View Post
Several at that crossing and at every crossing from loveland up to ceasars creek several every day around the campus of University of Cincinnati I work in the area I see a few run lights around Cincinnati State,I drive by there daily.
Shaker trace trail at miami whitewater forrest Greatparks.org if you want to look it up .
The only mup I have not seen some one blow through a stop at speed is the 5 1/2 mile along the great miami mainly because it doesn't have crossings . In riding and driving to work since the weather broke . I think 100 people a month I have seen blowing through as described above would be a conservitive number. It gets people killed . Weather you do it on a bike or car I have been there with our son . And I work in a level 1 trauma center I see mothers collapse when told their child didn't make. I see brothers and sisters sitting on the floor trembling and sobbing . I have seen doctors and nurses crying because they couldn't do enough
Besides if one of you gets run over who would I argue with ?
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And the 1,000 cyclist deaths each year in the Cincinnati area, prove plumberboy right.
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And the 1,000 cyclist deaths each year in the Cincinnati area, prove plumberboy right.
one death is too many when it could have been prevented

By the way spare wheel you need to go back and take goverment again the U.S. Goverment is a federal republic type of goverment Based on representive democracy we elect people to vote for us democracy every one vote indivually
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nah. a hallmark of rule of law in a democracy is proportionality. we lock up violent criminals and ignore jaywalkers.
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Originally Posted by plumberroy View Post
one death is too many when it could have been prevented

By the way spare wheel you need to go back and take goverment again the U.S. Goverment is a federal republic type of goverment Based on representive democracy we elect people to vote for us democracy every one vote indivually
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Then post the news story of the ONE Cincinnati cyclist death resulting from the 1,000 cycling blowing the lights/stops each month. Otherwise, stop blowing so much hot air.
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My son in law was down at a reds games a couple weeks ago and saw some one get a ticket for jaywalking. first time since I was a kid I have heard of some actually being ticketed . Sad part of our police system right now is the city's want money speeding ticket are where they get it I local suburb put in speed cameras and collected 1.4 million in 3 months before a judge stopped it . That may be why bike riders are left alone because of being precieved as being no money types . I was over 30 before I bought a car that cost as much as my main bike now
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For plumberroy, it seems his time would be best spent talking to motorist about not running into the cyclist right in front of them.

https://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...ed-near-Lunken

https://www.wcpo.com/dpp/news/region_...lunken-airport

https://news.cincinnati.com/article/2...-need-careful-

https://www.wlwt.com/news/local-news/...z/-/index.html

There were no stories pop up on cyclist in Cincinnati killed by running lights or signs.
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One has to search long and hard for cases like these when a cyclist blows (read: didn't look) the red light and dies. The good news is that most red light runners, like me, have eagle like eyes and know when it is or isn't safe to go through a red.
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Originally Posted by plumberroy View Post
He got hit because he thought the law didn't apply to him and ignored the light. The same cyclist that scream for equal rights to use the road think they shouldn't have to follow the same rules. The sad fact is if the cyclist obeyed the law and came to a stop , his family,friends and loved ones would not by greiving and broken hearted today.
Riding a bicycle doesn't exempt you from traffic laws.
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hahaha

Being a do-gooder doesn't always keep you safe either, plum. Just ask the guy who, with his child in a bike trailer, was rear ended by a car while he waited at the red light.


I'll keep staying safe by safely rolling stop signs, and when the coast is clear, plowing right through those pesky red lights (read: complete stop, check cross traffic, proceed through).

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Expecting someone to follow the law is B.S. **********
Depends on the law. I don't mindlessly follow a law just because "IT IS THE LAW!".

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unless posted otherwise bicycles follow the same rules as cars. Pisses me off to see police ignore bikes breaking traffic laws that they would stop a car for .
Your anger is misplaced. Cops in your town, unlike you, understand that the danger and chance of catastrophe isn't the same.

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Ever bury your teenage kid??? I have, it ain't fun !!!
Sorry for your loss.

But don't be so reactionary towards cyclists going through stop signs and red lights. The perceived danger you see just simply isn't there. Thousands of cyclists in my city alone go through stop signs and red lights a week. I can't even recall the last time a cyclist was hit or killed doing so (maybe a year ago, but that cyclist was also riding his bike drunk). Now just imagine how many cyclists are doing that nationwide! Hundreds of thousands! Yet...where are the deaths, broken ribs, grieving families? It is true, certainly, that a few are out there, but these unfortunate instances are small change in the vast, wonderful sum of cyclists doing it safely every day.

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No I doesn't take long to find cyclist hit running stops . I don't see any local at the moment . There are 2 markers out on the trail I know one is dated 2005 I will get the names next time out I know of a serious injury but even plumbers are believe it or not are bound by hippa laws.
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[QUOTE=plumberroy;15596656but even plumbers are believe it or not are bound by hippa laws.[/QUOTE]

It's HIPAA, and the only plumbers who are bound by it are plumbers engaged in the electronic transfer of "protected health information." I don't think that includes the names of people injured or killed in crashes on public streets (actually, I know it doesn't ;^).
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Plum is blowing hot air. His anger towards cops not pulling over cyclists for going through stop signs/red lights is misplaced. The fact remains that thousands upon thousands of cyclists safely roll through stop signs and red lights on a daily basis in this great nation of ours. Here on BF more than 75% who voted admit to doing so. Very, very few are ever creamed for it. Those who do can probably be assumed to be drunk, inexperienced, or just had bad luck (like anything else: trees falling and killing you, etc. Life is a risk. Since the risk of death for going safely through a stop sign/red light is small, I will continue to do so every day. I get from A to B a whole lot faster than: bus, car (inner city area), train, or other cyclists who come to complete stops.
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Originally Posted by agent pombero View Post
Since the risk of death for going safely through a stop sign/red light is small, I will continue to do so every day. I get from A to B a whole lot faster than: bus, car (inner city area), train, or other cyclists who come to complete stops.
you sound like someone i would enjoy racing on the way to point B.
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I get from A to B a whole lot faster than: bus, car (inner city area), train, or other cyclists who come to complete stops.
I was absent the day the rest of the class learned that "getting there faster" is an important goal in life. Fortunately.

"Hurrying is the work of the devil."
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I was absent the day the rest of the class learned that "getting there faster" is an important goal in life. Fortunately.

"Hurrying is the work of the devil."
A 32 mile RT commute 5 days a week will give you a quick refresher.
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
you sound like someone i would enjoy racing on the way to point B.
That would be fun
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I added the bold to the comment below:

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One has to search long and hard for cases like these when a cyclist blows (read: didn't look) the red light and dies. The good news is that most red light runners, like me, have eagle like eyes and know when it is or isn't safe to go through a red.

Possibly most, but definitely not all. The people that don't know when it's safe or not safe to go through stop signs, red lights, or break other traffic regulations, or misjudge in doing so...and there seems to be enough of them on the road to make plenty of bad impressions on everyone...are one of the things in particular that pose potential problems for people that drive, especially when the people doing this kind of thing are vulnerable road users, towards whom, I think it's fair to say, many people driving, by their operating a relatively more dangerous vehicle, realize they bear a greater burden of responsibility for avoiding collisions with vulnerable road users.

Whether a vulnerable road user has eagle eyes, knows what they're doing or not, doesn't relieve people that drive from their responsibility to watch for vulnerable road users that don't or can't safely play fast and loose with traffic regulations, and with consideration for other road users. Even if, out of your so called "...thousands upon thousands of cyclists..." that don't adhere to a procedure of honoring basic traffic regulations, only occasionally is there, percentage-wise, a collision, and out of them, a fatal collision as this one in Hawaii was, promoting a practice of not adhering to basic traffic regulations based upon personal discretion, may be contributing towards people without the skill or ability attempting to take liberties with traffic regulations, in turn causing the antipathy some vulnerable and less vulnerable road users have towards each other.
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Originally Posted by agent pombero View Post
A 32 mile RT commute 5 days a week will give you a quick refresher.
Yeah, it would. Close to an hour each way? It's too much, really. Even if you ride centuries every weekend, including on snow and ice, commutes like that are guaranteed to stress and drain you.

I have no problems with Idaho stops. Just roll 'em with extreme caution.
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Originally Posted by wsbob View Post
I added the bold to the comment below:




Possibly most, but definitely not all. The people that don't know when it's safe or not safe to go through stop signs, red lights, or break other traffic regulations, or misjudge in doing so...and there seems to be enough of them on the road to make plenty of bad impressions on everyone...are one of the things in particular that pose potential problems for people that drive, especially when the people doing this kind of thing are vulnerable road users, towards whom, I think it's fair to say, many people driving, by their operating a relatively more dangerous vehicle, realize they bear a greater burden of responsibility for avoiding collisions with vulnerable road users.

Whether a vulnerable road user has eagle eyes, knows what they're doing or not, doesn't relieve people that drive from their responsibility to watch for vulnerable road users that don't or can't safely play fast and loose with traffic regulations, and with consideration for other road users. Even if, out of your so called "...thousands upon thousands of cyclists..." that don't adhere to a procedure of honoring basic traffic regulations, only occasionally is there, percentage-wise, a collision, and out of them, a fatal collision as this one in Hawaii was, promoting a practice of not adhering to basic traffic regulations based upon personal discretion, may be contributing towards people without the skill or ability attempting to take liberties with traffic regulations, in turn causing the antipathy some vulnerable and less vulnerable road users have towards each other.
In the last several days, you have thrown out a large amount of supposition in several threads. I now question if you are living in the real world. Do you have any actual basis, evidence of any of the supposition that you have put out?
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Giving a patients name out will get your ass fired period The heath care industry is scared to death of hippa laws that is why all the crazies involved in the mass shooting don't get reported. Every body goes through hippa classes even the guys who pick up trash on the grounds . As far police not thinking cyclist voilations as serious , I think it is a money thing because they are handing out tickets right and left downtown for no blinkie lights after dark $122 fine Local shop has a sign up warning of it and a local club is giving blinkie light out free .
Cb every thing you have posted is excuses for running stops why don't you put that energy into getting Idaho stops lawful where you live The law makes sence ,the people I have a problem with are not legal under Idaho stop laws they are not prepare to stop if the situation calls for it.
In the grand scheme of things even the fast riders are slow that it why I ride to slow down and enjoy the world around if you truly want fast find you an old early s70's olds with a 455.5 Rocket in it Passes every thing but gas stations
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Originally Posted by plumberroy View Post
Giving a patients name out will get your ass fired period
Linking relevant statistics to support your claims will not.

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In the grand scheme of things even the fast riders are slow that it why I ride to slow down and enjoy the world around if you truly want fast find you an old early s70's olds with a 455.5 Rocket in it Passes every thing but gas stations
Promoting cars as a great tool for going fast while admonishing people about safety on the road is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on a message board, and that's saying something.
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Linking relevant statistics to support your claims will not.
Exactly.

Promoting cars as a great tool for going fast while admonishing people about safety on the road is one of the dumbest things I've ever seen on a message board, and that's saying something.
Nah, it's just a manifestation of out collective craziness about travel and road use. But it is a pretty weird disconnect, if not an unusual one.
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Giving a patients name out will get your ass fired period Roy
Still waiting for that news story of any Cincinnati cyclist killed while blowing through a light/sign. You did say it would be easy to look up, right?

Until then, stop blowing smoke out your ass.
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