Lessons in bike riding in city traffic via the NY Times
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/05/07/ny....html?src=recg
I wonder what percentage of NYC's bike riders will take a class and whether it will affect other cyclists by osmosis. |
That's my LBS, Red Lantern Bicycles. Great people there. I'm glad they offered their space for the class, hopefully some people got something out of it. Really, riding a bike here is not all that bad. I have never had anything thrown at me and only a few times has someone shouted something. Drivers are generally respectful and know you'll be there.
That said, good route choice is an important thing I do to stay safe, and most people don't even think about it. I almost never ride on multi-lane high traffic roads. I stick to the (generally very nice) bike lanes when I can--it's usually only a block or so out of the way, I take the lane when I need to, and I have very few issues because of this. And of course, I try to be alert and vigilant. |
Originally Posted by lostarchitect
(Post 15598307)
...route choice is an important thing I do to stay safe, and most people don't even think about it...I almost never...I stick to the (generally very nice) bike lanes when I can--it's usually only a block or so out of the way...I stick to
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Originally Posted by spare_wheel
(Post 15598680)
I am glad that your cautious style of cycling works for you. But what works for *you* does not work for everyone. Moreover, the Netherlands did not achieve a boost in mode share in the 80s by exaggerating the dangers of cycling (in the lane).
Yeah, you're doing that internet thing where you assume I was commanding people to be like me. Don't be that guy. Also, as I stated I take the lane when I need to, I am not "exaggerating the dangers of cycling in the lane," as you say. |
Originally Posted by lostarchitect
(Post 15598733)
Yeah, you're doing that internet thing where you assume I was commanding people to be like me. Don't be that guy.
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect
(Post 15598307)
That's my LBS, Red Lantern Bicycles. Great people there. I'm glad they offered their space for the class, hopefully some people got something out of it. Really, riding a bike here is not all that bad. I have never had anything thrown at me and only a few times has someone shouted something. Drivers are generally respectful and know you'll be there.
That said, good route choice is an important thing I do to stay safe, and most people don't even think about it. I almost never ride on multi-lane high traffic roads. I stick to the (generally very nice) bike lanes when I can--it's usually only a block or so out of the way, I take the lane when I need to, and I have very few issues because of this. And of course, I try to be alert and vigilant. I do think everyone should ride exactly like me - SLOW! :D |
Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
(Post 15598771)
I know you're Brooklyn, and my experience was Manhattan, but the one thing I noticed about riding in NYC is that the peds are utterly insane. I agree with everything you wrote about the drivers, and I haven't had issues with other cyclists, but I did see a streak of pedestrian aggression that bordered on outright suicidal.
I do think everyone should ride exactly like me - SLOW! :D |
I think when you ride it every day, you're in tune with changes...I'm sure you're right.
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect
(Post 15598733)
Yeah, you're doing that internet thing where you assume I was commanding people to be like me.
...route choice is an important thing I do to stay safe and most people don't even think about it. |
Originally Posted by spare_wheel
(Post 15598924)
but then you had to generalize it to others:
just sayin' |
Originally Posted by lostarchitect
(Post 15598307)
That's my LBS, Red Lantern Bicycles. Great people there. I'm glad they offered their space for the class, hopefully some people got something out of it. Really, riding a bike here is not all that bad. I have never had anything thrown at me and only a few times has someone shouted something. Drivers are generally respectful and know you'll be there.
That said, good route choice is an important thing I do to stay safe, and most people don't even think about it. I almost never ride on multi-lane high traffic roads. I stick to the (generally very nice) bike lanes when I can--it's usually only a block or so out of the way, I take the lane when I need to, and I have very few issues because of this. And of course, I try to be alert and vigilant. Wondered whether you've ever take any of the Bike NY classes, or had anything to do with that group. The 5/8 CitiBike street skills class seems to be full, however many people that is. Bike NY has an interesting arrangement for attendance of their classes. People wanting to attend have to present their credit card number to register, but the classes seem to be free...unless registrants don't show up, cancel within a week of class date, and so on, in which case their card will be charged $50. The NYtimes article was short, but good. More details about procedures for riding in traffic would have been helpful, but I think the tone of the piece is likely to help get people in the mood to attend a class, or seminar about biking. |
There are so many little things and lessons you pick up as a city commuter...
Learn where the car washes are and be extra careful around them...slippery roads combined with a lot of exit/entrance traffic. Avoid any rental truck...the drivers don't have a sense of their vehicle or where it is on the road. Avoid (if possible) auto mechanic locations because they typically have a large amount of debris near them where towed hulks leave their entrails = POPPED TIRES! Which roads the drunks use at night to avoid LEOs |
Ped's are also a problem in Boston at times. I've seen people step right off the curb into the path of a bicyclist riding in a bikepath with the right of way and the rider is easily zipping along at 20mph. Hey it's only a bike, it won't hurt if they slam into you at 20. Cambridge is the absolute worst for Ped's ignoring the bike lanes.
I wish NY drivers were as courteous outside of their own state. I've seen/experienced them behaving like assbags on the road. While commuting through Providence last summer, I almost got creamed by a guy who blew through a yield sign and into the lane I was cruising down. I had a couple of other experiences on that commute with NY registered vehicles showing no respect or courteous to the bike lanes. |
Everyone complains about NY drivers, but I think they're the best on Earth. They're typically very aware of their surroundings and defensive. I've consistently had the most problems with drivers in the South and in Mass. Boston driving partners confuse the heck out of me.
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect
...That said, good route choice is an important thing I do to stay safe, and most people don't even think about it. I almost never ride on multi-lane high traffic roads. I stick to the (generally very nice) bike lanes when I can--it's usually only a block or so out of the way, I take the lane when I need to, and I have very few issues because of this. And of course, I try to be alert and vigilant.
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"If a taxi’s window is down, listen for the sound of a receipt being printed. It means a door is about to open."
If you can hear the sound of a receipt being printed, you are already passing the door. I had a close call today when a passenger suddenly opened the door as I was about to pass by. |
Originally Posted by KonAaron Snake
(Post 15598995)
Everyone complains about NY drivers, but I think they're the best on Earth. They're typically very aware of their surroundings and defensive. I've consistently had the most problems with drivers in the South and in Mass. Boston driving partners confuse the heck out of me.
Though her neighborhood is not included in the earliest collection of bike share stations, Ms. Sutherland said she planned to take up cycling both because “the transit system in general is just disgusting” and because she failed two drivers’ tests last year. |
Originally Posted by B. Carfree
(Post 15601202)
Perhaps so. In the states that I have resided in, if you ever had a pulse, you have passed your exam for a drivers license. Apparently, this isn't the case in NY. From the article:
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Do they also discuss the special case of what to do when riding through certain neighborhoods and being confronted by groups of special people who feel they own the neighborhood and the PUBLIC streets?
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Originally Posted by genec
(Post 15620916)
Do they also discuss the special case of what to do when riding through certain neighborhoods and being confronted by groups of special people who feel they own the neighborhood and the PUBLIC streets?
What are are YOU extrapolating from an isolated YouTube video where one individual besides the bicyclist, acted like a jerk? |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 15621739)
"Certain neighborhoods with special people"? Why whomever do you mean, Mr. Genec? What should be discussed, your prejudices? Sounds to me that YOU have some issues.
What are are YOU extrapolating from an isolated YouTube video where one individual besides the bicyclist, acted like a jerk? But since this seems to be a NYC specific problem... I was just wondering if NYC had a specific solution. |
Aaron, those are good tips for things to watch out for. I don't think I ever thought of them.
You and lostarchitect are both right about New York. Pedestrians here are insane. Now that I haven't lived in the city for a long time, I cross the street like a pansy, compared with everyone else. They play a game of chicken with the drivers. Crazy. But I don't know what can be done about it. It's deeply ingrained into the culture of New York. Giuliani tried to get the police to issue tickets to pedestrians who broke the pedestrian laws, and it didn't go very far. The pedestrians were unhappy, and even the police were. It's true that cycling in New York isn't as bad as you would think, and it's because drivers expect to see cyclists. Things can get bad when you ride on roads where the motorists are unaccustomed to encountering cyclists. The cyclist in that video should have let the driver go. He is not blameless. The driver was mistaken about the law, but it's better not to let it escalate into a big confrontation. |
Originally Posted by noglider
(Post 15622013)
Aaron, those are good tips for things to watch out for. I don't think I ever thought of them.
You and lostarchitect are both right about New York. Pedestrians here are insane. Now that I haven't lived in the city for a long time, I cross the street like a pansy, compared with everyone else. They play a game of chicken with the drivers. Crazy. But I don't know what can be done about it. It's deeply ingrained into the culture of New York. Giuliani tried to get the police to issue tickets to pedestrians who broke the pedestrian laws, and it didn't go very far. The pedestrians were unhappy, and even the police were. It's true that cycling in New York isn't as bad as you would think, and it's because drivers expect to see cyclists. Things can get bad when you ride on roads where the motorists are unaccustomed to encountering cyclists. The cyclist in that video should have let the driver go. He is not blameless. The driver was mistaken about the law, but it's better not to let it escalate into a big confrontation. The idea however that some "special group" can control a public street is just irritating. A gated community I understand... but a public street... no way. I can understand the cyclist's frustration... but not the action... his response is just not a safe thing to do. (passing on the right) While the driver's response was wrong, I do admire that there really was no outright violence in the act, however wrong their notion of owning the street. Passive resistance. |
I stopped watching the video at about 3:20. I couldn't bear it any more, and I knew it was going to get worse. Don't even tell me what happened, because I can imagine.
And for the record, I'm Jewish, though not anything like Orthodox, as the driver in the video is. |
I'm also Jewish, and have a pretty strong aversion to the Hasids. They don't consider me Jewish, except for purposes of conversion, and I don't consider them sane. They're zealots.
My father grew up near them and they'd throw stones at cars that drove on "their" streets during the Sabbath. I guess throwing a stone isn't work :rolleyes: |
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