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Old 06-04-13, 05:31 PM
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Stop signs and cops

Do you come to a full stop and unclip at a stop sign when a cop car is behind you or parked at the intersection?
I did a momentary track stand and went on my way, and he did not follow me or pull me over.
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Old 06-04-13, 05:34 PM
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A full stop is sufficient under the law; there is no need to unclip. If you were required to put a foot down in order to effect a legal stop at a stop sign, then motorists would look pretty silly as they opened a door and put a foot down. (I have actually seen this once, but it was on ice at about 2 mph.)
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
A full stop is sufficient under the law; there is no need to unclip. If you were required to put a foot down in order to effect a legal stop at a stop sign, then motorists would look pretty silly as they opened a door and put a foot down. (I have actually seen this once, but it was on ice at about 2 mph.)
I saw this in Bedrock once. Fred put both his feet down to stop the car.
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Old 06-04-13, 06:02 PM
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Just because the cops around here are unpredictable doofuses, I would put the foot down and take a drink. Since it's only happened probably 2x in 12 years, I don't think much about it.

There is a short piece of street (about 80 feet or so) between a red light and the U.S. highway I have to cross daily; this piece of street is one-way, coming at me. It's 3-lane capable, but only two lanes are available for traffic, the other is just yellow-striped. I go against this occasionally, and take that shortcut to the highway. Cops have driven past me a few times while there, no attention.
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Old 06-04-13, 06:06 PM
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Out here in the country, the cops don't seem to care (as long as you aren't darting in front of anyone). I've run stop signs making a right into an open lane a number of times not realizing a Sheriff or Trooper was in the outer lane. It's never yielded more than a smile and a wave. But if I know one is behind me, I'll still come to a track stand stop. (Happened just the other day. He passed me after the intersection and it turned out to be just a city cop on his way home. They let them drive the patrol cars home and a number of city cops live out here.)
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Old 06-04-13, 06:44 PM
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The only time a cop was ever behind me, I was approaching a traffic light, so a stop sign didn't apply in that particular situation. Regardless of whether a cop is behind me, or not, when approaching a stop sign, I come to a complete stop.
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Old 06-04-13, 07:05 PM
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I slow down, look, and roll through like I always do. The police here do not bother cyclists with silly statuatory infractions. (Except for the rare crosswalk enforcement.)
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Old 06-04-13, 10:13 PM
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Originally Posted by B. Carfree View Post
A full stop is sufficient under the law; there is no need to unclip. If you were required to put a foot down in order to effect a legal stop at a stop sign, then motorists would look pretty silly as they opened a door and put a foot down. (I have actually seen this once, but it was on ice at about 2 mph.)
I don't know about other states, but in NY motorcycles are expected to do a "toe-down" stop at stop signs, and often get tickets if they don't.

Of course cyclists can show that they can do a track stand and meet the full stop requirement without the toe-down.
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Old 06-04-13, 10:19 PM
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If I see a cop at a stop sign or red light, I stop and wait for the light (if one). Some of the cops know me after all this time, and know I don't normally stop. When they ask, I admit that this is an exception, but I do it out of respect. Otherwise I'd feel like I was thumbing my nose at them.

I also make a practice to chat with cops I pass (if I have the time) and with a single exception, I've never had any issues with cops (including the one I collided with - right hook) while on a bike.
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Old 06-04-13, 10:46 PM
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I have never had a problem with LEOs. As far as I can tell, the vast majority of officers aren't worried about slow-n-goes and other minor violations as long as you don't create a hazard and give due regard to the rights and safety of others. The same seems to go for pedestrians and motorists. They really don't want to generate paperwork for jaywalking or a rolling right on red if they don't have to. Just like any other profession, you get a few jerks, but the vast majority of LEOs I have dealt with are professional and generally OK guys.
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Old 06-05-13, 12:23 AM
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I just recently got my first stop sign ticket. I did my standard slow down, look and continue with care through the open intersection. This is a crowded intersection on a major bike commute route, and I cruised through it a little faster than I normally do since it usually has a lot of cars and bikes at a 4 way intersection. The neighbors have been really complaining about all the bikes just blowing through all the stop signs (there are a lot on this route), so cops often sit around the intersections, and write tickets.

Admittedly it is a bad problem on that route, so I really wasn't pissed. They got me, so it goes. The cop was actually really cool about it and told me that if I just contest it, that it will get tossed since they don't go to court for them.

I guess that's a really long way of saying that I don't put my foot down at intersections.
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Old 06-05-13, 02:00 AM
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Stop or at the very least, come to a virtual stop...1-2 mph, to show them you're looking for cross traffic and proceeding cautiously. I think that's what cops mainly need to see. Of course, if for some reason, a certain person matches the description of someone, or some type of person they need to be looking for, not completely stopping would be an excuse to stop said person.

Fortunately, I've never been stopped while riding. I try to not give them any excuse to stop me.
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Old 06-05-13, 06:42 AM
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I do a stop and track stand at all lights with my trike.
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Old 06-05-13, 06:56 AM
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Around here, near as I can tell they only enforce full stops on vehicles with out of state plates. So not a problem on a bike. The line I don't cross is casual disregard - but a little common sense should apply. Rolling stops with no cross traffic are standard, so if I've slowed down and it's clear why not?
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Old 06-05-13, 07:07 AM
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I don't act any different when cops are around. Generally I put a foot down if ANYONE is around but that's just to telegraph that yes, I am stopping. If I don't, even people who were at the 4x stop seconds before me will just sit there assuming I'm going to run the stop sign. Sometimes I have to just sit there and stare at them for 5 seconds while they wave and wave, until finally they go.

If nobody's around, or there's nobody that I need to signal that I'm stopping, I will roll it very slowly (I'm no good at track stands). For instance if I'm approaching a major road from the minor road on a T intersection and there's a car behind me, I slow down to nearly a stop, then if there's no traffic coming, I'll proceed around. I'd do the same if the car behind me was a cop.
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Old 06-05-13, 08:56 AM
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Cop or no cop present, I almost never come to a "complete" stop at stop signs where I usually ride unless I am yielding the right of way.
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Old 06-05-13, 11:42 AM
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Like other posters unless traffic demands I do my usual careful almost track stand.

I'm actually happy to see the police watching an intersection once in a while because it helps me avoid allowing my "almost track stand" to deteriorate into a "slow cruise." I don't one bit enjoy either unclipping for a stop sign or getting sloppy and hit.
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Old 06-05-13, 02:37 PM
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Originally Posted by wsbob View Post
Stop or at the very least, come to a virtual stop...1-2 mph, to show them you're looking for cross traffic and proceeding cautiously.
This is my approach as well. I don't come to a complete stop if it's not necessary, but I go very slow and clearly show that I'm looking around attentively. I'll be surprised if I'm ever bothered for this, but if I get a single ticket for it... whatever, that's fine.
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Old 06-06-13, 11:15 AM
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I've proceeded through stop signs and red lights plenty of times with cops in the vicinity. I only come to a complete stop if I have to due to traffic. I'll slow down more than usual and look around in an exaggerated fashion to communicate (hopefully) to the cop that I'm not recklessly flying through the intersection but am cautiously proceeding after verifying it's safe. Knock on wood, I've never been stopped. There were even a couple times when I was already into the intersection at my typical pace (not my cop communicating pace) before noticing the cop. This is typically an intersection where the view to the left was unobstructed but to the right, less so. Since I'm crossing the path of traffic coming from the left 1st, that's my initial attention. I'm planning to get a better view right as I'm entering the intersection. That's when I now see the cop. As I'm already into the intersection at my usual "rolling stop" speed, it's be pretty suspicious to hit the brakes now and do the exaggerated look move (kind of like when you're speeding in a car and don't see the cop until you're on top of him). Maybe the cops are pretty cool where I live. Maybe I don't profile as someone worth pulling over (i'm 50yo and don't exactly look like a "bad boy" type).
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Old 06-07-13, 06:32 PM
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Every once in a great while I will forget to come to a complete stop at a stop sign, other then those rare "brain fart" exceptions I come to a stop at all stop signs. Sometimes the complete stop only lasts about a 1/4 of a second and isn't even a track stand just a full stop rocking back on the pedals once and then release the brakes and rock forward into them to accelerate out from the stop but I do stop regardless if anyone else is around or not cop or otherwise.

I also always look both ways at least twice before passing through a stop or yield intersection and look at least once each way before/while passing through an intersection where my traffic stream has right of way looking for signal/sign runners coming from either side.

As to the actions of other cyclists, I'm willing to shrug off those that treat stop signs as yield signs and red lights as stop signs provided they look and make sure they aren't violating other road users right of way when they do so, their only risking their own neck by doing so. I'm not willing to accept "Kamikaze" riders though who run signs and signals fully knowingly and willfully violating other road users right of way and forcing them to slam on their brakes to avoid hitting them. That kind of behavior reflects very badly on all cyclists and can result in road rage incidents against other cyclists. More often then not the motorists who instinctively hit his/her brakes in a panic stop to avoid hitting a cyclist who knowingly and willfully ran a red light in front of them with a smirk on his face followed by a one finger salute as thanks to the motorists who braked to avoid killing him will "take it out" on the next cyclists they run across which will rarely be the same cyclist who pulled the "Kamikaze" stunt. I've been there, I've seen it happen with my own eyes more then once being in more then one position. Once I was the passenger in a car where this happened and I was desperately trying to calm down the driver who started deliberately crowding another cyclist from behind and honking instead of passing not five minutes after having to slam on the brakes and swerve to avoid a different cyclists who pulled a "Kamikaze" red light run in front of the truck she was driving and I was riding in as a passenger. Another time I was following a car that had a "Kamikaze" cyclist run a stop sign in front of him and he tried to catch the offending cyclist but wasn't able to and then pulled off in a parking lot and as I continued on he pulled back out and got behind me and started reving the motor on his car while tailgating me. I pulled over up onto the sidewalk to let him pass not wanting a confrontation and he stopped in the road and rolled down the passenger window and started screaming profanities at me which where clearly directed at all cyclists in general despite me trying to calmly explain that I thought what the other cyclist did was wrong as well and that I wasn't like that other cyclist and I agreed with him that the other cyclist who had make the "Kamikaze" run in front of him was in the wrong. He wasn't convinced, however, and after a few more profanities you tore off screeching his tires. And those are just the two incidents I know absolutely for sure where a "Kamikaze" cyclist was the direct trigger for the road rage against cyclists. I've had plenty of times where I have been harassed and attacked by motorists as a cyclists that I cannot say for sure were the result of their previous bad experiences with other cyclists behaving badly but I have good reason to suspect that may have been part of it. "Kamikazes", "Salmon", and "Night Ninja" cyclists are all bad medicine and a disgrace to the cycling community in general and as far as law enforcement against cyclists behaving badly is concerned should be the priority targets of such enforcement.

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Old 06-08-13, 02:55 PM
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I also do the track stand at stop signs, cops around here don't care. But then again they see me a lot and they know I stop at all stop lights practice good FRAP riding.

Just the other week, a cop saw me give a motorist some ***** over something he did and he caught up with me to make sure everything was cool.
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I was riding last week through a residential neighborhood and I ran a stop sign with a cop right behind me. Then cop passed me and then another patrol car passed me. They then got stopped in some traffic and I passed them and went right through another stop sign in front of them. I don't stop for cops.
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At the Easter Hill Country tour this year, the police were ticketing cyclists for running stop signs. Stopping but failing to put a foot down got a warning. My guess is some locals may have been complaining about previous years and the police were reacting to that.
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