Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Advocacy & Safety
Reload this Page >

Innocent Cyclist Confronts Cop, Cop Detains and Cites Cyclist for Lawful Riding

Notices
Advocacy & Safety Cyclists should expect and demand safe accommodation on every public road, just as do all other users. Discuss your bicycle advocacy and safety concerns here.

Innocent Cyclist Confronts Cop, Cop Detains and Cites Cyclist for Lawful Riding

Old 06-06-13, 12:09 AM
  #1  
Angio Graham
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Innocent Cyclist Confronts Cop, Cop Detains and Cites Cyclist for Lawful Riding

A cyclist in Torrance California is riding along and sees a motorcycle cop doing radar duty while on a sidewalk.

The cyclist rides over to confront him and ask some questions.

The cyclist has video rolling.

After the cyclist questions the officer for a few minutes, the officer gets mad and detains the cyclist for an "illegal left turn".

The police officer handcuffs the cyclist and 12 additional police officers are called to the scene.

Police end up citing the cyclist for two offenses. One is making an illegal left turn and the other is for something about riding too close to the curb.

What the officer didn't realize is the cyclist had his video rolling the entire time and it clearly shows the cyclist didn't violate any traffic laws.

I know most of you are going to be highly critical of the cyclist but you have to admit that he was cited unlawfully cited.


Angio Graham is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 12:37 AM
  #2  
Chris516
24-Speed Machine
 
Chris516's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jul 2004
Location: Wash. Grove, MD
Posts: 6,058

Bikes: 2003 Specialized Allez 24-Speed Road Bike

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
For the cyclist's sake, I hope a judge throws out the charges. Because, The one time I had a discussion with a local city officer, I only asked him to tell me the code he was citing. He told me, and I left it at that.

I would definitely want to catch a mistake by a police officer, on video. But I don't know how I would handle an argument that got on video. Probably the same way I handle the situation a couple years ago. When an officer saw me not holding a line, when I made a turn from a slight descent, to a slight ascent. It was one of the first times I had made that turn. So, Since he thought I had been drinking(which I knew I hadn't), he administered a breathalyzer test.
Chris516 is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 01:32 AM
  #3  
CB HI
Cycle Year Round
 
CB HI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 13,607
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1288 Post(s)
Liked 46 Times in 30 Posts
The video is crap. Does not prove legal riding. Audio only proves the cop and cyclist are clueless on the actual CA laws.
__________________
Land of the Free, Because of the Brave.
CB HI is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 01:42 AM
  #4  
Angio Graham
Banned
Thread Starter
 
Join Date: Oct 2012
Posts: 428
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
The video is crap. Does not prove legal riding. Audio only proves the cop and cyclist are clueless on the actual CA laws.
the first video shows a legal left turn. the cop said it was illegal and cited the cyclist. did you actually watch the video ?
Angio Graham is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 02:31 AM
  #5  
CB HI
Cycle Year Round
 
CB HI's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2005
Location: Honolulu, HI
Posts: 13,607
Mentioned: 6 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1288 Post(s)
Liked 46 Times in 30 Posts
Originally Posted by Angio Graham View Post
the first video shows a legal left turn. the cop said it was illegal and cited the cyclist. did you actually watch the video ?
Again the video is crap and worthless in court. Can you show me where the video proves the cyclist signaled his turn?

Some of your other threads where the police approach and stop the cyclist, I am with you. But these videos and this cyclist do nothing to advance cyclist positions.
__________________
Land of the Free, Because of the Brave.
CB HI is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 03:26 AM
  #6  
tergal
Senior Member
 
tergal's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2011
Location: Logan, QLD ,Australia
Posts: 784

Bikes: Trek 4300

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Angio Graham View Post
the first video shows a legal left turn. the cop said it was illegal and cited the cyclist. did you actually watch the video ?
"if" the turn was legal then the citation is bunk , but the cyclist is a acting like a tool .

If you go looking for trouble you will find it .
tergal is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 05:50 AM
  #7  
UberGeek
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 1,144

Bikes: Schwinn Tourist (2010), Trek 6000 (1999)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by tergal View Post
"if" the turn was legal then the citation is bunk , but the cyclist is a acting like a tool .

If you go looking for trouble you will find it .
Um, yeah. Exactly.

Why in the hell did the cyclist "confront" the cop in the first place?
UberGeek is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 07:13 AM
  #8  
PedalingFool
Senior Member
 
PedalingFool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Capac, MI
Posts: 355

Bikes: Trek 1.2, Trek Mtn, Specialized Gravel, Jamis TT, Specialized FatBoy

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
I'm all for holding police responsible and accountable...
But this guy is indeed a tool about it.

Why in the hell did the cyclist "confront" the cop in the first place?
Just because a person is wearing a pretty uniform and a shiny badge doesn't mean that they should be above the
law and not questioned about it.
PedalingFool is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 07:17 AM
  #9  
rydabent
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2010
Location: Lincoln Ne
Posts: 8,194

Bikes: RANS Stratus TerraTrike Tour II

Mentioned: 26 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1805 Post(s)
Liked 307 Times in 193 Posts
For some reason more and more police officers seem to know little about vehicle code. Dont they teach them traffic laws any more?
rydabent is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 07:18 AM
  #10  
genec
genec
 
genec's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West Coast
Posts: 26,625

Bikes: custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2

Mentioned: 44 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 8874 Post(s)
Liked 1,216 Times in 836 Posts
Originally Posted by CB HI View Post
Again the video is crap and worthless in court. Can you show me where the video proves the cyclist signaled his turn?

Some of your other threads where the police approach and stop the cyclist, I am with you. But these videos and this cyclist do nothing to advance cyclist positions.
Wait, you are actually REQUIRED to signal a turn? If so, cops are missing loads of opportunity to ticket thousands of motorists daily.
genec is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 07:37 AM
  #11  
MRT2
Senior Member
 
MRT2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 6,113

Bikes: 2012 Salsa Casseroll, 2009 Kona Blast

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 911 Post(s)
Liked 103 Times in 73 Posts
Originally Posted by tergal View Post
"if" the turn was legal then the citation is bunk , but the cyclist is a acting like a tool .

If you go looking for trouble you will find it .
Indeed. How, exactly, is confronting the cops helpful to cyclists? Frankly, I could see my local cops throwing in a disorderly conduct citation on top of the traffic citation, just to be a--holes.

BTW, in the city of Milwaukee, the cops can ticket cyclists for not properly displaying a bicycle license. I am an attorney and had not heard of this but I looked it up and sure enough, there it was, right in the municipal code. Anyway, the cop never cited my client for that, but did search him and found an unlicensed gun, and arrested him for that.

So I filed a motion to suppress the stop, on the grounds that it was illegal. Under cross examination, the cop admitted thatstoppng cyclinsts for failing to display a bike license is a pretext, that in his years as an officer, he had NEVER seen a properly displayed bicycle license. So, if you are riding a bike in Milwaukee and don't have a sticker issued from the city for your bike, the cops can stop you, ticket you, and search you whenever they want, for no other reason.

In practice, it rarely happens, but if you make yourself a pest, it will.

Last edited by MRT2; 06-06-13 at 07:42 AM.
MRT2 is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 08:17 AM
  #12  
Brandonub
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Nov 2012
Location: Rockville, MD
Posts: 234

Bikes: 2012 Cervelo R3 Team

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
What a bizarre situation where confronting an officer on illegal behavior is "looking for trouble". They've certainly done an effective job instilling fear in citizens when most of us (including myself) feel like we should quietly slink away and hope not to be noticed by cops.
Brandonub is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 08:18 AM
  #13  
spare_wheel
Registered User
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NA
Posts: 4,267

Bikes: NA

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by UberGeek View Post
Um, yeah. Exactly.
Why in the hell did the cyclist "confront" the cop in the first place?
Because they are our employees. We pay their salaries. They serve us, not just a few rich ****** ****ers.
spare_wheel is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 08:36 AM
  #14  
UberGeek
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 1,144

Bikes: Schwinn Tourist (2010), Trek 6000 (1999)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by PedalingFool View Post
I'm all for holding police responsible and accountable...
But this guy is indeed a tool about it.


Just because a person is wearing a pretty uniform and a shiny badge doesn't mean that they should be above the
law and not questioned about it.
Originally Posted by spare_wheel View Post
Because they are our employees. We pay their salaries. They serve us, not just a few rich ****** ****ers.
Maybe I'm missing something...

What was the reason for circling back, and confronting a cop? Did the cop originally stop the cyclist, ticket him, and then the cyclist turned around?
UberGeek is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 08:42 AM
  #15  
PedalingFool
Senior Member
 
PedalingFool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Capac, MI
Posts: 355

Bikes: Trek 1.2, Trek Mtn, Specialized Gravel, Jamis TT, Specialized FatBoy

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by UberGeek View Post
Maybe I'm missing something...
What was the reason for circling back, and confronting a cop? Did the cop originally stop the cyclist, ticket him, and then the cyclist turned around?
If a police officer is not following the laws himself that he's paid to enforce then why shouldn't they be confronted about it?
PedalingFool is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 08:47 AM
  #16  
UberGeek
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2011
Location: Buffalo, NY
Posts: 1,144

Bikes: Schwinn Tourist (2010), Trek 6000 (1999)

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by PedalingFool View Post
If a police officer is not following the laws himself that he's paid to enforce then why shouldn't they be confronted about it?
So, the LEO confronted the cyclist first? Or, just because the LEO was on the sidewalk?

If it's because of the sidewalk (Sitting there), it's a principle called "Operational need".
UberGeek is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 08:53 AM
  #17  
Chief
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 379

Bikes: SR, Bianchi, Raleigh, Bertin, Kona, Schwinn, Eisentraut, Zunow, Columbine, Naked, Nishiki, Phillips, Specialized, Giant

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by Brandonub View Post
What a bizarre situation where confronting an officer on illegal behavior is "looking for trouble". They've certainly done an effective job instilling fear in citizens when most of us (including myself) feel like we should quietly slink away and hope not to be noticed by cops.
Amen! So many in our society seem to have drank some sort of kool-aid that makes them feel subordinate to public servants, and are now forever confused about the difference between politeness and cowardice. I don't get it either.
Chief is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 09:00 AM
  #18  
volosong
Senior Member
 
volosong's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2011
Location: North Idaho
Posts: 2,797

Bikes: n + 1

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 25 Post(s)
Liked 20 Times in 11 Posts
What an ass! The cyclist ... not the LEO.
volosong is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 09:06 AM
  #19  
jerseyJim
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jun 2012
Location: Hawthorne NJ
Posts: 377

Bikes: Surly LHT, Wabi Special, All City Big Block, 1933 Iver Johnson Mobicycle, Giant TCR Advanced

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
The cop was sitting there with a radar gun. Trying to catch speeders. Making the road safer for cyclists.

This guy is a total tool IMO.
jerseyJim is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 09:06 AM
  #20  
MRT2
Senior Member
 
MRT2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 6,113

Bikes: 2012 Salsa Casseroll, 2009 Kona Blast

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 911 Post(s)
Liked 103 Times in 73 Posts
Originally Posted by Chief View Post
Amen! So many in our society seem to have drank some sort of kool-aid that makes them feel subordinate to public servants, and are now forever confused about the difference between politeness and cowardice. I don't get it either.
IMO the cyclist crossed the line from politely asserting his rights to going out of his way to provoke some kind of confrontation, and in the process acting like an obnoxious prick. "I pay your salary?" Seriously? I would hate to be the next cyclist to come across this cop's path.

I have seen this in my practice. Compared to some of what I have seen (sometimes on video, frequently not), the cop here was relatively restrained. I presume the cyclist was white. If he were black, who knows what might have happened.
MRT2 is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 09:08 AM
  #21  
PedalingFool
Senior Member
 
PedalingFool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Capac, MI
Posts: 355

Bikes: Trek 1.2, Trek Mtn, Specialized Gravel, Jamis TT, Specialized FatBoy

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by jerseyJim View Post
The cop was sitting there with a radar gun. Trying to catch speeders. Making the road safer for cyclists.
This guy is a total tool IMO.
LMAO...
Yea, I'm sure that's what exactly he was trying to catch speeders for and it had nothing to do with increasing the city's revenue.
PedalingFool is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 09:11 AM
  #22  
PedalingFool
Senior Member
 
PedalingFool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Capac, MI
Posts: 355

Bikes: Trek 1.2, Trek Mtn, Specialized Gravel, Jamis TT, Specialized FatBoy

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Chief View Post
Amen! So many in our society seem to have drank some sort of kool-aid that makes them feel subordinate to public servants, and are now forever confused about the difference between politeness and cowardice. I don't get it either.
Only going to get worse with places like New York trying to pass laws that make it a crime to "annoy" police officers...
Give a cop a dirty look and he gets "annoyed" then you go to jail and pay a fine.
PedalingFool is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 09:12 AM
  #23  
MRT2
Senior Member
 
MRT2's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2007
Location: Wisconsin
Posts: 6,113

Bikes: 2012 Salsa Casseroll, 2009 Kona Blast

Mentioned: 13 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 911 Post(s)
Liked 103 Times in 73 Posts
Originally Posted by PedalingFool View Post
LMAO...
Yea, I'm sure that's what exactly he was trying to catch speeders for and it had nothing to do with increasing the city's revenue.
You say that like its a bad thing.
MRT2 is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 09:19 AM
  #24  
Chief
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2004
Location: Sacramento
Posts: 379

Bikes: SR, Bianchi, Raleigh, Bertin, Kona, Schwinn, Eisentraut, Zunow, Columbine, Naked, Nishiki, Phillips, Specialized, Giant

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 17 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by PedalingFool View Post
Only going to get worse with places like New York trying to pass laws that make it a crime to "annoy" police officers...
Give a cop a dirty look and he gets "annoyed" then you go to jail and pay a fine.
Yes, this kool-aid also makes citizens view public servants (at all levels) as some sort of nobility class that is above question or consequence.
Chief is offline  
Old 06-06-13, 09:29 AM
  #25  
PedalingFool
Senior Member
 
PedalingFool's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Location: Capac, MI
Posts: 355

Bikes: Trek 1.2, Trek Mtn, Specialized Gravel, Jamis TT, Specialized FatBoy

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 3 Post(s)
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by MRT2 View Post
You say that like its a bad thing.
Most laws are just excuses to extort money from citizens... They don't care about you or want to make you safer. They just want your money in their bank account.
PedalingFool is offline  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service - Do Not Sell My Personal Information -

Copyright 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.