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Old 06-21-13, 10:09 AM
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Cyclists vs. "bike riders"?

I've never seen this bizarre line drawn before, but here's a local columnist coming up with a bizarre form of tribalism.
When I moved here four years ago, I became increasingly intolerant of a species of human being referred to as a “cyclist.” They are not always easy to recognize if you are a devoted motorist.

But us bike riders, we spot them in a heartbeat. They ride the streets and trails as if they own them.
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Old 06-21-13, 10:53 AM
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It's been discussed here before... really there is no more difference than that between drivers and motorists, both being the same. "Bike riders" is the term often used for people casually riding bikes, perhaps not cognizant of the rules of the road for cyclists or of their rights, and may meander from sidewalk to street to path. "Cyclists" is a term often given to those that think themselves superior users of bicycles... perhaps aware of the rules, but more often exerting themselves in a physically meaningful way and perhaps even asserting their rights... but the fact is we are all "brothers and sisters" on two wheels.

Just because one wears lycra and bright clothing that doesn't really mean a thing... some of the most astute members of the cycling community wear shorts and a baseball cap, and "wanna be Lances" can put on a jersey just as easily as anyone else can wear a Raiders shirt.
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Old 06-21-13, 10:55 AM
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I think he's just using the term "cyclist" as a synomym for roadies. Continuing the Balkinization of bicycling.
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Old 06-21-13, 11:00 AM
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Well, I've heard of "cyclists" using the terms "bike rider", "guy on bike", or similar in a derogatory manner, but this is a new one.

"Officer, I'm not a thief, I only steal occasionally."
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Old 06-21-13, 11:05 AM
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Originally Posted by genec View Post
Just because one wears lycra and bright clothing that doesn't really mean a thing... some of the most astute members of the cycling community wear shorts and a baseball cap, and "wanna be Lances" can put on a jersey just as easily as anyone else can wear a Raiders shirt.
This is essentially my thought as well; I'm pretty much always the guy in the bright lycra clothes, but I don't look upon someone grabbing groceries on their MTB in jeans and think "ha, mere bike rider, nothing like my awesome powers o' cycling!". I don't really understand the desire some have to slice and dice people on bikes into subgroups that conflict with each other.
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Old 06-21-13, 11:11 AM
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the writer is just being lazy. I think some of the most dangerous and inconsiderate cyclists I see are probably in his category of "bike riders." But it's really hard to generalize something like that to an entire group
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Old 06-21-13, 11:11 AM
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I find that the Lycra-wearing riders are usually pretty rude and out-of-shape.

It's just like how BMW/Mercedes drivers are usually pretty rude, while the rest of us in our Fords and Toyotas are fine.
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Old 06-21-13, 12:19 PM
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I would think you would use it the other way around, refer to yourself as a "cyclist" and the ones running all over the place without respecting the rules as "bike riders"/"ninjas".
^ True but there are plenty of rude people in modest cars, ntm trucks
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Old 06-21-13, 12:54 PM
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post
I find that the Lycra-wearing riders are usually pretty rude and out-of-shape.

It's just like how BMW/Mercedes drivers are usually pretty rude, while the rest of us in our Fords and Toyotas are fine.
Not sure if this is pretty funny or actually serious. I've probably had more bad experiences with Ford SUVs than all other vehicles put together.
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Old 06-21-13, 01:08 PM
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re: "I would love to see the police assemble a video of cyclist accidents. They are gruesome. Then require each cyclist who violates the rules of the road to watch this video"

where I go to get an (auto) oversand permit they make us all watch a training video which includes some stuck vehicles, and some getting washed away in the surf. it makes an impression.
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Old 06-21-13, 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by spivonious View Post
I find that the Lycra-wearing riders are usually pretty rude and out-of-shape.
Seen one yesterday on a bike path that was pretty disgusting... thunder thighs, rolls hanging over the waist, wearing cleats, etc...
He walked by me, cleats smacking the ground and making loud noises like a horse walking by... I said hello and he looked at me like "why are you talking to me?"
Rude bastard...
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Old 06-21-13, 01:13 PM
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If you were to draw a Venn diagram I suspect that the intersection of what he is calling bike riders and cyclists have a bigger intersection than he is admitting to. Lake many things in life, all is not just "us and them". Why should I limit my activities as a cyclist to conform to the authors "rules"? I am courteous when tooling down a bikeway at 17-18 mph, and slow where appropriate. I don't buzz peds and bike riders. Just because some boneheads are arrogant and rude, why should I be penalized?

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Seen one yesterday on a bike path that was pretty disgusting... thunder thighs, rolls hanging over the waist, wearing cleats, etc...
I was 290# when I started, am now 215, and can outrun many who are younger and thinner. (I ride a lot and actually know how to use the gears, something many bike riders and cyclists don't) I wear lycra 'cause that stuff is comfortable on long rides. I acknowledge those who are friendly to me.

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Old 06-21-13, 01:15 PM
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Yes, but did the study test for the incidence of waving?
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Old 06-21-13, 01:17 PM
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It's no different than the generalizations many people make about other subsets of our culture. Stereotypes are no more true about "cyclists" than they are about any other group. Sure there are some cyclists (spandex clad or not) who are arrogant arses, think they own the road, don't think the rules apply to them, and could care less about respect and courtesy toward others. There are also numerous cyclists who are responsible, polite, law abiding citizens of good character. The same could be said about pedestrians, commuters, truckers, bikers, and so-on ad infinitum. Anytime you hear that "all" of some group share a common negative attribute, you are hearing prejudice not facts.


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Old 06-21-13, 01:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Brandonub View Post
... I've probably had more bad experiences with Ford SUVs than all other vehicles put together.

I owned a '97 Explorer for 14 years and it was a great vehicle. Performed very well and had very few reliability issues. Kind of sorry I sold it.
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Old 06-21-13, 02:24 PM
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To me one thing is obvious. The writer of the piece is envious of those who have better bikes and skills than he does. And he really hates the ones who actually know the rules of the road and follow them.

To me the only real difference between a cyclist and a bike rider is that someone who gets paid to ride remains a cyclist even when off the bike.

As others have said every group has its twits. He is one who likes to be called a bike rider.
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Old 06-21-13, 04:29 PM
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Originally Posted by CommuteCommando View Post
I was 290# when I started, am now 215, and can outrun many who are younger and thinner. (I ride a lot and actually know how to use the gears, something many bike riders and cyclists don't) I wear lycra 'cause that stuff is comfortable on long rides. I acknowledge those who are friendly to me.
*tip of the cap*

My dad's a big dude as well, and was a bigger dude before he started riding. Wearing sport specific gear is for everyone, and damned few of us actually look good in it anyway. There's only so much dignity anyone can keep with "contours" showing.
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Let me see if I have this right: when I wore my team kit and rode my race bike to the Thursday night group ride I was cyclist; but today when I wore my office clothes and rode my ancient utility bike to work I was a bike rider?

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.

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Let me see if I have this right: when I wore my team kit and rode my race bike to the Thursday night group ride I was cyclist; but today when I wore my office clothes and rode my ancient utility bike to work I was a bike rider?

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.
That's right and try not to get it mixed up... wearing kit with your ancient utility bike is taboo. And vice versa.
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Personally my dividing line between cyclist and guy on a bike is helmet usage. Its not a perfect metric, but people I've observed who made the deliberate decision to don a helmet seem less likely to ride on the sidewalk, salmon, etc. Drivers make no distinction, period. So its just an arbitrary thing in the minds of individual riders.
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Old 06-21-13, 05:27 PM
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Originally Posted by caloso View Post
Let me see if I have this right: when I wore my team kit and rode my race bike to the Thursday night group ride I was cyclist; but today when I wore my office clothes and rode my ancient utility bike to work I was a bike rider?

Do I contradict myself? Very well, then I contradict myself. I am large. I contain multitudes.
In the U.S., only "cyclists" use the term "kit" to describe clothing worn while cycling, every one else says "clothes" or "clothing" or maybe uniform if describing the apparel of a cycling team
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Old 06-21-13, 05:33 PM
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike View Post
In the U.S., only "cyclists" use the term "kit" to describe clothing worn while cycling, every one else says "clothes" or "clothing" or maybe uniform if describing the apparel of a cycling team
Noted. I just want to be consistent in my inconsistency.
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In the U.S., only "cyclists" use the term "kit" to describe clothing worn while cycling, every one else says "clothes" or "clothing" or maybe uniform if describing the apparel of a cycling team
Some folks in the next suburb west of Davis, Ca have taken to describing people dressed in cycling clothes as condom people. I'm sure there are a lot of other wonderful terms in use as well.
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Old 06-21-13, 07:06 PM
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What about us stealth riders. We wear lycra under our baggy shorts, ride fred bikes, and surprise motorists with both our speed and unexpected compliance with the traffic rules.
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Old 06-21-13, 07:11 PM
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I'm usually too busy riding to notice or even CARE what category someone wants to put me in; it doesn't matter even if they CAN out-ride me, I couldn't care less what someone else thinks of my riding. What's important to me is that I ride, and that my kids ride with me from time to time. F the rest.
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