Can Saying, "People on Bikes" instead of "cyclist" make cycling safer?
#1
Senior Member
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2012
Location: Nashville TN
Posts: 794
Bikes: Trek 7.3FX, Diamondback Edgewood hybrid, KHS Montana
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Can Saying, "People on Bikes" instead of "cyclist" make cycling safer?
Drop the Cyclist moniker?
Even biking publications are pulling away from the term. "We try to avoid the word 'cyclist' consciously as much as possible," says Mia Kohout, CEO and editor-in-chief of Momentum Magazine. "The word evokes a lot of negative connotations. There's a huge group of people—60 percent of the people in cities—who are interested and concerned about riding a bike, but the word seems too hardcore to them."
What do you think?
Even biking publications are pulling away from the term. "We try to avoid the word 'cyclist' consciously as much as possible," says Mia Kohout, CEO and editor-in-chief of Momentum Magazine. "The word evokes a lot of negative connotations. There's a huge group of people—60 percent of the people in cities—who are interested and concerned about riding a bike, but the word seems too hardcore to them."
What do you think?
Last edited by FenderTL5; 11-19-13 at 04:36 PM.
#2
genec
Join Date: Sep 2004
Location: West Coast
Posts: 27,079
Bikes: custom built, sannino, beachbike, giant trance x2
Mentioned: 86 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 13658 Post(s)
Liked 4,532 Times
in
3,158 Posts
Drop the Cyclist moniker?
Even biking publications are pulling away from the term. "We try to avoid the word 'cyclist' consciously as much as possible," says Mia Kohout, CEO and editor-in-chief of Momentum Magazine. "The word evokes a lot of negative connotations. There's a huge group of people—60 percent of the people in cities—who are interested and concerned about riding a bike, but the word seems too hardcore to them."
What do you think?
Even biking publications are pulling away from the term. "We try to avoid the word 'cyclist' consciously as much as possible," says Mia Kohout, CEO and editor-in-chief of Momentum Magazine. "The word evokes a lot of negative connotations. There's a huge group of people—60 percent of the people in cities—who are interested and concerned about riding a bike, but the word seems too hardcore to them."
What do you think?
#3
Senior Member
You mean like the people on bikes who chased down a guy in NYC, pulled him out of his SUV, and beat him to a pulp? Maybe people on bicycles.
#4
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,663
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5766 Post(s)
Liked 2,538 Times
in
1,404 Posts
There's too much emphasis on specific language these days. Everyone has a sensitivity or axe to grind, and wants to change the language accordingly.
I prefer bicyclist to separate bicyclists form motorcyclists, but don't think worrying about language changes anything. People translate words into entities, and form impressions or judgements accordingly. It isn't the word, but what it represents that counts.
In any case, why clutter language by using three words when one will do?
I prefer bicyclist to separate bicyclists form motorcyclists, but don't think worrying about language changes anything. People translate words into entities, and form impressions or judgements accordingly. It isn't the word, but what it represents that counts.
In any case, why clutter language by using three words when one will do?
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
#5
Senior Member
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 1,177
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 117 Post(s)
Liked 71 Times
in
51 Posts
You don't realize that the whole discussion was phony? This was a trial "Portlandia" script planted into bikeportland.org a few months ago. Heck, with Momentum being suckered, it's truly gone international!
#6
Senior Member
Join Date: Jul 2013
Location: NJ cellphone central
Posts: 468
Bikes: Surly Ogre // (old and gone) Cannondale ST400, Rockhopper Sport
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Things are far too soft and easy for people to be concerned over a word.
#7
Senior Member
There's a genuinely very friendly guy where I work, whom I used to run into in the subway. Then one day when he saw me he said he missed meeting me in the subway. I told him I now commute by bike. "I hate those bike riders!" replied him.
#9
Senior Member
Join Date: Jan 2010
Location: Eugene, Oregon
Posts: 7,048
Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 509 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 9 Times
in
8 Posts
Many words have been used to label people as "other" in our recent history. Unfortunately, the censors won't let me list most of them, but consider how the gay community has taken ownership of words that were previously used to attack them. Just last year President Obama took ownership of the term "Obamacare", to successful political effect.
In my opinion, we should follow these examples and own the word cyclist with pride. It will still be used as a pejorative at times, but running from it gives it power over us.
That said, I prefer to confine its use to a description of someone who is actually riding a bike (or trike, or whatever). When we're sitting on our hind-quarters writing these posts, we're not cyclists. When we get on our bikes, we're cyclists again.
In my opinion, we should follow these examples and own the word cyclist with pride. It will still be used as a pejorative at times, but running from it gives it power over us.
That said, I prefer to confine its use to a description of someone who is actually riding a bike (or trike, or whatever). When we're sitting on our hind-quarters writing these posts, we're not cyclists. When we get on our bikes, we're cyclists again.
#12
Senior Member
Join Date: Mar 2007
Posts: 4,071
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 0 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times
in
0 Posts
Drop the Cyclist moniker?
Even biking publications are pulling away from the term. "We try to avoid the word 'cyclist' consciously as much as possible," says Mia Kohout, CEO and editor-in-chief of Momentum Magazine. "The word evokes a lot of negative connotations. There's a huge group of people—60 percent of the people in cities—who are interested and concerned about riding a bike, but the word seems too hardcore to them."
What do you think?
Even biking publications are pulling away from the term. "We try to avoid the word 'cyclist' consciously as much as possible," says Mia Kohout, CEO and editor-in-chief of Momentum Magazine. "The word evokes a lot of negative connotations. There's a huge group of people—60 percent of the people in cities—who are interested and concerned about riding a bike, but the word seems too hardcore to them."
What do you think?
#13
Registered User
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: NA
Posts: 4,267
Bikes: NA
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 9 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 7 Times
in
7 Posts
The whole "people who bike" meme is another example of how cycling advocacy (sorry...advocacy for people who bike) in the USA is increasingly a hermeneutic cult.
#14
Been Around Awhile
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Burlington Iowa
Posts: 29,964
Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 1,529 Times
in
1,042 Posts
#15
Arizona Dessert
Join Date: Jun 2004
Location: AZ
Posts: 15,030
Bikes: Cannondale SuperSix, Lemond Poprad. Retired: Jamis Sputnik, Centurion LeMans Fixed, Diamond Back ascent ex
Mentioned: 76 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5345 Post(s)
Liked 2,169 Times
in
1,288 Posts
If you are driving a vehicle you are a driver.
Drivers in cars, in trucks, on motorcycles, on bikes, on bicycles, on mopeds, etc., all drivers all equal.
If you want to call different drivers different names, go ahead, conflict requires it.
Drivers in cars, in trucks, on motorcycles, on bikes, on bicycles, on mopeds, etc., all drivers all equal.
If you want to call different drivers different names, go ahead, conflict requires it.
#16
Senior Member
Join Date: Jun 2009
Location: Chicago, the leafy NW side
Posts: 2,477
Bikes: 1974 Motobecane Grand Record, 1987 Miyata Pro, 1988 Bob Jackson Lady Mixte (wife's), others in the family
Mentioned: 7 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 125 Post(s)
Liked 154 Times
in
78 Posts
__________________
I never think I have hit hard, unless it rebounds.
- Dr Samuel Johnson
I never think I have hit hard, unless it rebounds.
- Dr Samuel Johnson
#17
Been Around Awhile
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Burlington Iowa
Posts: 29,964
Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 1,529 Times
in
1,042 Posts
For ILTB and others confused, 'hermeneutics' has several meanings, appropriately, since it broadly means the interpretation of meaning from written texts (as in Biblical hermeneutics) or spoken language. Obviously things do not always mean what they appear to on the surface, nor do writers (including many regulars here) realize what they are communicating beyond their intended meaning.
#19
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,663
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5766 Post(s)
Liked 2,538 Times
in
1,404 Posts
A small group on firums like this one who devote their time to trying to discern the meaning of some of the posts.
Though he probably misused the word, suspect that I may agree with the intended sentiment. These days, it seems nobody uses single words when they can substitute long phrases. If we replace bicyclist, or cyclist, or bicycle (yes, it's not a person) people on bikes, then after an accident will we need to say we were hit by a person driving a car, or operator of a motor vehicle.
It seems that American English these days is getting tortured by folks who write and speak as if trying to impress their college professor. Plain English is dying a slow painful death crushed by bureaucratese (or is it bureaucratish).
For my part, I don't believe that changing the language will change the reality, so lets leave things the way they are so our target audience understands us.
Though he probably misused the word, suspect that I may agree with the intended sentiment. These days, it seems nobody uses single words when they can substitute long phrases. If we replace bicyclist, or cyclist, or bicycle (yes, it's not a person) people on bikes, then after an accident will we need to say we were hit by a person driving a car, or operator of a motor vehicle.
It seems that American English these days is getting tortured by folks who write and speak as if trying to impress their college professor. Plain English is dying a slow painful death crushed by bureaucratese (or is it bureaucratish).
For my part, I don't believe that changing the language will change the reality, so lets leave things the way they are so our target audience understands us.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
#21
Been Around Awhile
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Burlington Iowa
Posts: 29,964
Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 1,529 Times
in
1,042 Posts
Do you mean like, "The whole 'people who bike' meme is another example of how cycling advocacy (sorry...advocacy for people who bike) in the USA is increasingly a hermeneutic cult"?
Last edited by I-Like-To-Bike; 11-27-13 at 11:15 AM.
#22
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,663
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5766 Post(s)
Liked 2,538 Times
in
1,404 Posts
Yes, that too.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
#23
Been Around Awhile
Join Date: Oct 2004
Location: Burlington Iowa
Posts: 29,964
Bikes: Vaterland and Ragazzi
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 12 Post(s)
Liked 1,529 Times
in
1,042 Posts
#25
Senior Member
Join Date: Apr 2009
Location: New Rochelle, NY
Posts: 38,663
Bikes: too many bikes from 1967 10s (5x2)Frejus to a Sumitomo Ti/Chorus aluminum 10s (10x2), plus one non-susp mtn bike I use as my commuter
Mentioned: 140 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 5766 Post(s)
Liked 2,538 Times
in
1,404 Posts
No I was referring to the language itself, not the people who wrote or speak it. It's a bit of a problem with the English language that the same words are often used to describe folks from a given country and the language they speak.
__________________
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.
FB
Chain-L site
An ounce of diagnosis is worth a pound of cure.
Just because I'm tired of arguing, doesn't mean you're right.
“One accurate measurement is worth a thousand expert opinions” - Adm Grace Murray Hopper - USN
WARNING, I'm from New York. Thin skinned people should maintain safe distance.