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I refuse.
I am a responsible guy, married, and I have a 20-month-old little girl. I'm in my last year of aerospace engineering school. I ride bikes for fun and for transport. I have been a bicycle commuter for the last 2+ years of school, but have been riding bikes of an on for about 8 years before that. How I ride, how I carry my stuff, and what type of gear I use has slowly evolved.
From the beginning, and even today, I will not ride without my helmet and a front and rear light. The helmet is it's own thread (like that overblown sticky), but I wear it because I'm interested in living and don't trust drivers. Lights just flat out make sense.
However, I REFUSE to live a life where I must don hi-vis vests at all times, wear a helmet mirror, constantly run a go-pro camera for collecting evidence, or run seven rear lights and 4 front. That would simply suck all the joy out of biking for me. It would feel like letting the terrorists win.
Not even sure why I'm posting this (or why I'm putting it in A&S), but there ya go.
From the beginning, and even today, I will not ride without my helmet and a front and rear light. The helmet is it's own thread (like that overblown sticky), but I wear it because I'm interested in living and don't trust drivers. Lights just flat out make sense.
However, I REFUSE to live a life where I must don hi-vis vests at all times, wear a helmet mirror, constantly run a go-pro camera for collecting evidence, or run seven rear lights and 4 front. That would simply suck all the joy out of biking for me. It would feel like letting the terrorists win.
Not even sure why I'm posting this (or why I'm putting it in A&S), but there ya go.
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Too bad, you refuse the best safety device of your entire list, the mirror.
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Beats me, too. Helmet mirrors sure are nice once you get used to them, though.
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When I moved to OR, I also "refused". After a short time, I found I just wasn't happy when I stayed off the bike for months at a time. All the hiking in the coast hills I did just couldn't substitute for the unbridled joy I get in the saddle. Even though no one was wearing hi viz vests, I went to the local industrial safety store and purchased one, as well as an ANSI class 3 rain jacket. I bought ridiculously expensive lights, made some reflective ankle bands and got back on the bike.
Thirteen years later, I'm so used to the barbaric behavior of Oregonian motorists that I am pleasantly surprised a couple times each year when I return to ride in NorCal and rediscover what it is like to ride without concern regarding the next car that will pass. It still bugs me that my life is put at risk for no reason at all by some suburban-dwelling moron, but I am still happier to ride not.
Thirteen years later, I'm so used to the barbaric behavior of Oregonian motorists that I am pleasantly surprised a couple times each year when I return to ride in NorCal and rediscover what it is like to ride without concern regarding the next car that will pass. It still bugs me that my life is put at risk for no reason at all by some suburban-dwelling moron, but I am still happier to ride not.
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I also agree with him about not running multiple front lights.
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Mirrors really are damn useful. Although I hate my eyeglass mirror, I'm considering going helmet. But on my recumbent trike, a Mirrycle works quite well.
The rest I agree with, though, at least when on a bicycle (although my reasons for wearing a helmet on a bicycle are unrelated to car hits). Hell, I've not even bothered with my flag lately on my trike.
The rest I agree with, though, at least when on a bicycle (although my reasons for wearing a helmet on a bicycle are unrelated to car hits). Hell, I've not even bothered with my flag lately on my trike.
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We all make decisions that we feel are right for us. No matter what you decide, just keep on enjoying riding.
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A lot of mirror-haters will tell you that a mirror is no substitute for looking back, and that you don't need mirrors because the purpose they serve in cars does not apply to bicycles.
It's true that cars use mirrors primarily for backing and checking the blind spot before changing lanes. These things don't apply to bicycles. We normally don't back up and our peripheral vision is good enough to see our so-called blind spot.
But there is other vital information that a cyclist needs from a mirror that cars do not need. When I'm in my car, driving down a two lane road at 60 mph, I don't really care if there is a car 200 or 300 yards behind me. If there is, I'm also not too worried about how fast it's going. In my car, I'm going fast enough that even if the car overtaking me was going 90 or 100 mph, the driver would most likely see me before he rear ended me. In other words, I don't need to worry about getting out of his way any time soon.
Now, if I'm on the same two lane road riding my bicycle, I do worry about cars 200 or 300 yards behind me and how fast they are going. That is where my mirror comes in very handy. If I see a car behind me, I can keep an eye on it with my mirror and ascertain how fast it is going and how soon it will get to me. Moreover, as it approaches me, I can determine if the driver has seen me by whether or not he starts to move over to pass me or slows down due to oncoming traffic that prevents him from passing me.
A few times, I've seen a car in my helmet mirror and watched as the driver did not slow down or move over. With that information, I determined that I needed to get myself onto the unpaved shoulder because there was a good chance that the driver did not see me. In those situations my mirror probably saved my life because just "looking back" would have told me the car was there, but not given me any information about it's speed or driver's attentiveness.
It's true that cars use mirrors primarily for backing and checking the blind spot before changing lanes. These things don't apply to bicycles. We normally don't back up and our peripheral vision is good enough to see our so-called blind spot.
But there is other vital information that a cyclist needs from a mirror that cars do not need. When I'm in my car, driving down a two lane road at 60 mph, I don't really care if there is a car 200 or 300 yards behind me. If there is, I'm also not too worried about how fast it's going. In my car, I'm going fast enough that even if the car overtaking me was going 90 or 100 mph, the driver would most likely see me before he rear ended me. In other words, I don't need to worry about getting out of his way any time soon.
Now, if I'm on the same two lane road riding my bicycle, I do worry about cars 200 or 300 yards behind me and how fast they are going. That is where my mirror comes in very handy. If I see a car behind me, I can keep an eye on it with my mirror and ascertain how fast it is going and how soon it will get to me. Moreover, as it approaches me, I can determine if the driver has seen me by whether or not he starts to move over to pass me or slows down due to oncoming traffic that prevents him from passing me.
A few times, I've seen a car in my helmet mirror and watched as the driver did not slow down or move over. With that information, I determined that I needed to get myself onto the unpaved shoulder because there was a good chance that the driver did not see me. In those situations my mirror probably saved my life because just "looking back" would have told me the car was there, but not given me any information about it's speed or driver's attentiveness.
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Besides, collecting all the gadgets and lights and figuring out how to attach them to your bike is part of the fun! It's what gives ME joy in riding anyway.
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I prefer to let my hearing track overtaking traffic and keep my eyes moving to dangers in front of me, grates, rocks glass and dogs require constant vigilance.
I could see the usefulness of mirrors if one had earphones and music going, then I would recommend air bags also
I could see the usefulness of mirrors if one had earphones and music going, then I would recommend air bags also
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Cars can be rather quiet nowadays.
And I can scan behind AND in front of me visually quite easily with a mirror.
And I can scan behind AND in front of me visually quite easily with a mirror.
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Id ride without a helmet before without a mirror.
Is Texas requiring Go-Pros and Hi-Viz now? What is the point of this ?
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Hmmm... I normally use a mirror AND look behind in heavy traffic areas. The mirror is just another tool at my disposal.
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However, I REFUSE to live a life where I must don hi-vis vests at all times, wear a helmet mirror, constantly run a go-pro camera for collecting evidence, or run seven rear lights and 4 front. That would simply suck all the joy out of biking for me. It would feel like letting the terrorists win.
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I am a responsible guy, married, and I have a 20-month-old little girl. I'm in my last year of aerospace engineering school. I ride bikes for fun and for transport. I have been a bicycle commuter for the last 2+ years of school, but have been riding bikes of an on for about 8 years before that. How I ride, how I carry my stuff, and what type of gear I use has slowly evolved.From the beginning, and even today, I will not ride without my helmet and a front and rear light. The helmet is it's own thread (like that overblown sticky), but I wear it because I'm interested in living and don't trust drivers. Lights just flat out make sense.However, I REFUSE to live a life where I must don hi-vis vests at all times, wear a helmet mirror, constantly run a go-pro camera for collecting evidence, or run seven rear lights and 4 front. That would simply suck all the joy out of biking for me. It would feel like letting the terrorists win.Not even sure why I'm posting this (or why I'm putting it in A&S), but there ya go.
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I definitely agree with being vigilant looking for/hearing the dangers. I use my hearing, and move head to look behind me with my peripheral vision.
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In working urban traffic, I use hearing and peripheral vision when checking my mirror blind spot when I'm making a lateral movement. Riding in urban traffic has become much more enjoyable to me with the addition of a mirror, since hearing and peripheral vision tends to be overwhelmed in noisier/faster traffic.
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The mean urban streets require powerful lights and video cameras in my opinion. There are too many intoxicated, distracted, and dangerous motorists on the road. Powerful taillights have the effect of slowing down drivers behind you. A bright helmet light in addition to a bar light can fill up the inside of the vehicle cabin. A video camera will capture license plates, the driver behind the wheel, in addition to the model. This evidence can be very useful in the event a cyclist is smashed by a 3,000 pound rolling couch. If you refuse to put the odds in your favor, this is entirely your choice.
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I wear a reflective vest, I have six tail lights and six headlights. I have a handlebar mirror AND a helmet mirror, I have a tripod in my handlebar-basket-aerodynamic-fairing. I have Flags on Fiberglass Poles.
My complaints ? The helmet mirror is new, and I don't like it as much as the handlebar mirror. The helmet mirror is blocked by the Flags. The Helmet Mirror is blocked by the earflaps, which I attached to the helmet for the Winter.
The motorists who cause the problems are few and far between, so it seems one of them startles me just as I am lulled into a sense of security.
Fortunately, most of the lights are run from a single 12 volt rechargeable battery, so I don't have a dozen switches to turn on and off. And they are LED, so if I go into a store, I just leave the lights on for the 5 to 8 minutes.
I am thinking of getting a new 32 Gigabyte SD card for the stupid camera. I recently upgraded from 4 gig to 8 gig. I hate deleting videos while riding the bike, to make more memory, on account I have to take my eyes off the road.
I like to photograph whole blocks at night with the flash on , it lets everyone know I have a camera.
Anyway, I haven't posted here in a while, since I got 150 bike/velomobile friends on Facebook.
My complaints ? The helmet mirror is new, and I don't like it as much as the handlebar mirror. The helmet mirror is blocked by the Flags. The Helmet Mirror is blocked by the earflaps, which I attached to the helmet for the Winter.
The motorists who cause the problems are few and far between, so it seems one of them startles me just as I am lulled into a sense of security.
Fortunately, most of the lights are run from a single 12 volt rechargeable battery, so I don't have a dozen switches to turn on and off. And they are LED, so if I go into a store, I just leave the lights on for the 5 to 8 minutes.
I am thinking of getting a new 32 Gigabyte SD card for the stupid camera. I recently upgraded from 4 gig to 8 gig. I hate deleting videos while riding the bike, to make more memory, on account I have to take my eyes off the road.
I like to photograph whole blocks at night with the flash on , it lets everyone know I have a camera.
Anyway, I haven't posted here in a while, since I got 150 bike/velomobile friends on Facebook.
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