Sheriff's Deputy kills cyclist in bike lane
12-09-13, 08:08 PM
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I'm somewhat surprised there isn't a protocol in place for this sort of thing that mandates having a different agency handle an investigation when an officer is involved in a death, particularly when the initial evidence indicates the officer is at fault. The lack of such a protocol causes me concern. Well-run departments don't fear outside scrutiny, but corrupt ones do.
I'm somewhat surprised there isn't a protocol in place for this sort of thing that mandates having a different agency handle an investigation when an officer is involved in a death, particularly when the initial evidence indicates the officer is at fault. The lack of such a protocol causes me concern. Well-run departments don't fear outside scrutiny, but corrupt ones do.
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12-09-13, 08:40 PM
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The VC Star is very anti-police, they'd do nothing to help out the cops. Additionally, the Star is in Ventura County and the accident occurred in Los Angeles County, the Star doesn't have a dog in this fight.
No conspiracy here, just their usual bad reporting.
12-09-13, 08:42 PM
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It appears they have an excellent media ally with the Ventura County Star.
The Star hates cops. Also the Star is in a different county.
No allies, just their usual shoddy reporting.
12-09-13, 08:51 PM
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Decades ago I was out for an evening ride (mid summer) after traffic going the 2 miles home was horrible. I ate dinner and then started my ride. Traffic was still heavy, but livable, until the road went from 1 lane to 2 and it was like being caught in a LeMans start.
I bailed. I learned the next day that there was a fatality accident on the Ventura Freeway involving a CHP officer. They closed the whole freeway during rush hour.
If the CHP has any jurisdiction they will investigate.
I bailed. I learned the next day that there was a fatality accident on the Ventura Freeway involving a CHP officer. They closed the whole freeway during rush hour.
If the CHP has any jurisdiction they will investigate.
12-09-13, 09:03 PM
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12-09-13, 09:26 PM
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Reading the comments on the CBS video link this appears to have happened on the 22500 block of Mulholland Highway (not the 22000 block that the reporter stated.) If you look at Google street view there's a right hand traffic lane that ends just prior to where the collision took place. The cop most likely was moving over to the left and went through the bike lane and struck the rider.
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12-09-13, 10:18 PM
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I agree. Internal investigations will always be tainted, even in the most professional, honest police department. Unless the department has a separate unit for internal investigations, or even then, it would pay to invite oversight from an outside agency just to eliminate accusations of cronyism.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/2013/12/09...investigation/
Among those charged with conspiracy and obstruction of justice in the 18-page indictment are two lieutenants, one of whom oversaw the department's safe jails program and another who investigated allegations of local crimes committed by sheriff's personnel, two sergeants and three deputies.
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12-09-13, 10:30 PM
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I agree. Internal investigations will always be tainted, even in the most professional, honest police department. Unless the department has a separate unit for internal investigations, or even then, it would pay to invite oversight from an outside agency just to eliminate accusations of cronyism.
Most policemen who are killed [or seriously injured on the job] are in car accidents. Policemen, cyclists, small children, and grandmothers.... car accidents are big on the "cause of death lists" for all groups. All people should take all deaths as personal.... not just cyclists relating to cyclists. After all... the one thing all humans have in common is our mortality. No one.... gets out of here alive. Taking precautions and assigning blame will never eliminate death.
My heart goes out to the family and friends of the cyclist... and also to the police officers family and friends.
My wife and family know I am fully aware at how fatally serious cycling accidents with automobiles can be. And they know I chose to bicycle in traffic anyway. I have to assume the same can be said of a mature adult professional such as the person involved in this accident. To fully live and enjoy our lives... we have to take our chances. There is no joy in the safety of the sofa.
I am sure there are better ways to end the journey through life.... than suddenly, quickly while enjoying one last bicycle ride. But presently... I can't think of any.
12-09-13, 10:38 PM
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I would not support such a broad statement.
I have worked with LEO for mostnof my professional life.
The overwhelming majority are good, hard working intelligent men and women. They chose LE out of a genuine desire to help people, not hurt them.
While I support a full investigation of the facts surrounding this accident, along with proper punishment, the anti-police vitriol expressed by many here is completely unjustified. How about waiting until all the facts have come out?
The Star's position is cases involving LE is based more on their own ideology than on any factual scenarios. Their anti-LE knee jerk reaction is well-known in Ventura County.
I have worked with LEO for mostnof my professional life.
The overwhelming majority are good, hard working intelligent men and women. They chose LE out of a genuine desire to help people, not hurt them.
While I support a full investigation of the facts surrounding this accident, along with proper punishment, the anti-police vitriol expressed by many here is completely unjustified. How about waiting until all the facts have come out?
The Star's position is cases involving LE is based more on their own ideology than on any factual scenarios. Their anti-LE knee jerk reaction is well-known in Ventura County.
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12-09-13, 10:52 PM
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The problem is no one can be trusted to investigate themselves. The facts are highly unlikely to come out due to the accused entity investigating itself.
12-09-13, 10:59 PM
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I would not support such a broad statement.
I have worked with LEO for mostnof my professional life.
The overwhelming majority are good, hard working intelligent men and women. They chose LE out of a genuine desire to help people, not hurt them.
While I support a full investigation of the facts surrounding this accident, along with proper punishment, the anti-police vitriol expressed by many here is completely unjustified. How about waiting until all the facts have come out?
The Star's position is cases involving LE is based more on their own ideology than on any factual scenarios. Their anti-LE knee jerk reaction is well-known in Ventura County.
I have worked with LEO for mostnof my professional life.
The overwhelming majority are good, hard working intelligent men and women. They chose LE out of a genuine desire to help people, not hurt them.
While I support a full investigation of the facts surrounding this accident, along with proper punishment, the anti-police vitriol expressed by many here is completely unjustified. How about waiting until all the facts have come out?
The Star's position is cases involving LE is based more on their own ideology than on any factual scenarios. Their anti-LE knee jerk reaction is well-known in Ventura County.
12-09-13, 11:00 PM
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12-10-13, 12:04 AM
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Nope, you have your logic cap on backwards today. The poster claimed unequivocally "It is a well documented FACT that police edit, lose, delete, and other wise misplace video and audio from their patrol cars, motorcycles and body worn recorders." It is up to him or anyone else who makes an unsubstantiated claim of a slanderous "well documented FACT" to support it.
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Nope, you have your logic cap on backwards today. The poster claimed unequivocally "It is a well documented FACT that police edit, lose, delete, and other wise misplace video and audio from their patrol cars, motorcycles and body worn recorders." It is up to him or anyone else who makes an unsubstantiated claim of a slanderous "well documented FACT" to support it.
Find out if any law enforcement agencies near you have dashcam or body worn recorders. If one does then pick a date and time and file a public records request for the footage.
Come back on here and let us know how it went.
12-10-13, 01:32 AM
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Reading the comments on the CBS video link this appears to have happened on the 22500 block of Mulholland Highway (not the 22000 block that the reporter stated.) If you look at Google street view there's a right hand traffic lane that ends just prior to where the collision took place. The cop most likely was moving over to the left and went through the bike lane and struck the rider.
12-10-13, 07:59 AM
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As Bouza put it, about 30% of cops are meat-eaters, the instigators and leaders of corruption. About 50% are grass-eaters, not leaders of corruption, but happy with the spoils and cheerfully go along. Nearly all of the rest, 19.99%, are the deaf and dumb, not participating, but keeping their mouths shut, getting along. And less than a hundredth of one percent stand up to the corruption and try to do something about it, and often fail because they're completely alone in their attempt to make things right.
Edit: Let me add this. I think that some percentage do join with the right motives of wanting to help people and be good cops, but they discover reality quite quickly. They start off being deaf & dumb, then maybe move to being a grass-eater or meat-eater. This is perhaps not unlike doping in sports.
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12-10-13, 08:13 AM
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Not according to cops themselves. The long and growing list of books, blogs, and youtube channels of former cops talking about the perverseness and prevalence of the Blue Code and of the growing power of gangs within agencies is quite scary. Even Tony Bouza, feted at numerous LE functions nationwide as a cops cop, came out with a book about the pervasiveness of police corruption and the problems it's causing.
As Bouza put it, about 30% of cops are meat-eaters, the instigators and leaders of corruption. About 50% are grass-eaters, not leaders of corruption, but happy with the spoils and cheerfully go along. Nearly all of the rest, 29.99%, are the deaf and dumb, not participating, but keeping their mouths shut, getting along. And less than a hundredth of one percent stand up to the corruption and try to do something about it, and often fail because they're completely alone in their attempt to make things right.
As Bouza put it, about 30% of cops are meat-eaters, the instigators and leaders of corruption. About 50% are grass-eaters, not leaders of corruption, but happy with the spoils and cheerfully go along. Nearly all of the rest, 29.99%, are the deaf and dumb, not participating, but keeping their mouths shut, getting along. And less than a hundredth of one percent stand up to the corruption and try to do something about it, and often fail because they're completely alone in their attempt to make things right.
But your point is good-overstated I think/hope
Those numbers might be right for an EXTREMELY CORRUPT DEPT- maybe NOLA in the 1990's and before.
Kinda doubt 30% of any DEPT are corrupt now-sure hope not!
There is nothing new in respect to police corruption-probably no where near as bad now as it once was.
12-10-13, 08:19 AM
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Internal investigation???? The fox in the hen house will alway claim the chicken committed suicide.
12-10-13, 08:28 AM
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I love the sheriff's comment on the telling that any deputy that is being bullied, needs to "man up"..... sounds like the trouble with this LEO branch goes all the way to the top. One of our local LEOs did just that, and the department officials and fellow officers found ways to ostracize the LEO from the force.
12-10-13, 09:02 AM
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Thanks for the correction BTW.