Driver who killed cyclist charged with criminal vehicular homicide: cell phone use
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Driver who killed cyclist charged with criminal vehicular homicide: cell phone use
He was trying to do banking on his cell phone and struck a woman pulling her two children in a bike trailer, killing her and injuring them.
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The condition of bail, that the killer not use his phone while driving, is a bit much to take. How about he not be allowed to drive? He was already giving the chance to prove he was capable of doing the right thing while behind the wheel. He failed and an innocent person is dead because of his selfish behavior.
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Ohh, this infuriates me. Not only should he of had his DL taken away he should of been forced to forfeit his dam phone too!
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I do feel a little for the guy because he made a terrible mistake and I'm sure he will be burdened with guilt and be sufficiently punished for his crime. That he stopped immediately and did not hide his crime showed it was a mistake, one which should never have happened in the first place.
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I agree he should have had his license suspended immediately and automatically, and I can't understand why this doesn't happen to all drivers involved in serious accidents until the police investigation or court trial finishes.
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An interesting article and discussion on it: Steen MN vs Drenthe NL | streets.mn
How practical is it to run a bike path along roads like she was on?
How practical is it to run a bike path along roads like she was on?
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The condition of bail, that the killer not use his phone while driving, is a bit much to take. How about he not be allowed to drive? He was already giving the chance to prove he was capable of doing the right thing while behind the wheel. He failed and an innocent person is dead because of his selfish behavior.
We would have taken it as evidence. He could have easily gone and purchased another, but we tried.
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He was trying to do banking on his cell phone and struck a woman pulling her two children in a bike trailer, killing her and injuring them.
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Police should be empowered to sieze and destroy not every cell phone that they see a driver using, but any cell phone in a car that is within reach of a driver. Cops should be equipped with a modified version of Vise Grip Locking C Clamp #20 , refitted with diamond-treaded, meat tenderizer type jaw pads. That'd crush any cell phone in existence with pretty minimal hand effort I should think.
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I just looked at the map and 270 is perfectly straight. That guy should lose his DL. Hey, I lost mine for 30 days when I was 16, going home from work, no drinking, and was t-boned by a 20-something that actually saw me coming.
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Police should be empowered to sieze and destroy not every cell phone that they see a driver using, but any cell phone in a car that is within reach of a driver. Cops should be equipped with a modified version of Vise Grip Locking C Clamp #20 , refitted with diamond-treaded, meat tenderizer type jaw pads. That'd crush any cell phone in existence with pretty minimal hand effort I should think.
We have made huge advances dealing with drunken driving, no open bottles, almost going overboard with the "W" plates, and even that won't stop the addicted drunks from getting behind the wheel. Extremely sever court ordered penalties, hiked insurance rates, etc are the only real deterrent and that gets out of control also.
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Either you are over reacting emotionally or you're a trolling idiot. (I can't believe I actually called someone here the "i" word.)
We have made huge advances dealing with drunken driving, no open bottles, almost going overboard with the "W" plates, and even that won't stop the addicted drunks from getting behind the wheel. Extremely sever court ordered penalties, hiked insurance rates, etc are the only real deterrent and that gets out of control also.
We have made huge advances dealing with drunken driving, no open bottles, almost going overboard with the "W" plates, and even that won't stop the addicted drunks from getting behind the wheel. Extremely sever court ordered penalties, hiked insurance rates, etc are the only real deterrent and that gets out of control also.
Your first statement made me laugh, your second is directly on point.
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This is really sad - for the family and the children who will now grow up without a mother.
I do feel a little for the guy because he made a terrible mistake and I'm sure he will be burdened with guilt and be sufficiently punished for his crime. That he stopped immediately and did not hide his crime showed it was a mistake, one which should never have happened in the first place.
I do feel a little for the guy because he made a terrible mistake and I'm sure he will be burdened with guilt and be sufficiently punished for his crime. That he stopped immediately and did not hide his crime showed it was a mistake, one which should never have happened in the first place.
Give you two some slack because from your online statements you aren't in North America. Here most people like this one don't feel guilt for what they have done. They are upset because they got caught. "Gee, I've been doing this forever. If that cyclist and her kids hadn't been there none of this would have happened. I mean, who tows kids behind a bike along a street anyway?"
And, no we don't want any cop seizing property or denying freedom to anyone except under very specific and limited rules. That is one of the reasons we are here instead of in the old countries where individual people not of the ruling class had essentially no rights. We want due process that involves a third party. Even then we operate under the innocent until proven guilty rule; or we are supposed to. As the Innocence Project is discovering there are many actually innocent people who are punished for crimes they did not commit.
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Here most people like this one don't feel guilt for what they have done. They are upset because they got caught. "Gee, I've been doing this forever. If that cyclist and her kids hadn't been there none of this would have happened. I mean, who tows kids behind a bike along a street anyway?"
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Is the shoulder paved or gravel? And what difference does having a shoulder make with regard to a segregated path?
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Can you imagine putting segregated bike paths, let's say in South Dakota, so we can get from Minnesota to Montana without being on the highway? The issue not clearly understood by those in smaller countries is we have a lot of space and low population areas.
Maybe our cell phones should be off when in the car, and the proof being if we get stopped, the officer can call our phone. If it doesn't light up, then it's off. More proof? Turn it on and repeat. The officer does not even have to touch the phone. Of course that completely blows most of our navigation apps our the door, so never mind. Bad idea. We would not even be able to have a regular GPS in our car then.
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Well maybe its a little different in the US, but in Australia we have a demerit points system and if you lose all your points your license is suspended automatically. Police can issue demerit point-taking fines automatically, even if more serious offences get charged later. You also get such fines for speed/red light camera infringements etc. Yes, you can challenge the fine that caused the final loss of points and thus the suspension in court - that would be your due process - but nonetheless your license is suspended until the case is resolved in your favour or your suspension period is up (guess which would commonly occur first?)
What I am proposing is little different to that.
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So to answer your 1st question the shoulder was gravel. However to answer the second question I would have to say it depends. When you mention "segregated" are you referring to a paved shoulder with a bike designation thus making it a bike lane or are you referencing the paths in the article you posted?
Either way I don't think it would be cost effective for a town like Steen Minnesota (Population 180) to have paved bike shoulder (or "segregated path") between their and Luverne Minnesota (Population 4680) which is approximately 13 miles away. This is the information I found for the approximate cost for a bike lane. If you could provide a link to the costs the for the "segregated path" you have in mind it would be helpful.
The problem with a bike lane is it would not prevent a tragedy like this from happening. However once your provide more information regarding the "segregated" bike path you have in mind It can be compared to the cost effectiveness of the bike lane.
Regardless of the cost the woman was killed by a distracted driver. Even if your "segregated" path idea goes through someone's cornfield it still may not prevent something like this from happening.
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I'm responding in sadder-but-wiser mode. So, tell me why a cell phone within reach of a driver should be any different from an open bottle of liquor. IMHO, all of the distractions you mention are an extreme example of someone swinging their automotive fist and having no concern for whatever nose gets in the way. What could possibly be a difference between two items (bottle of booze, cell phone) that have a similar ability to reduce the ability of the driver to control their vehicle. Call me an idiot, I don't care, but I've ridden bikes and driven both for over forty years and can tell you driver behavior has changed. The law needs to treat drivers as less than human--and piss on the Constitution if need be.
Either you are over reacting emotionally or you're a trolling idiot. (I can't believe I actually called someone here the "i" word.) There goes the battery in flames from instant short circuit and sharp fragments of plastic and glass all over the place. What kind of police state do you want to live in that gives anyone the right to destroy personal property at a whim. Can you imagine a cop destroying or confiscating some ladies makeup case because she has it in her purse? How about your water bottle or coffee from Mcdonalds. LOL. Give me a break.
We have made huge advances dealing with drunken driving, no open bottles, almost going overboard with the "W" plates, and even that won't stop the addicted drunks from getting behind the wheel. Extremely sever court ordered penalties, hiked insurance rates, etc are the only real deterrent and that gets out of control also.
We have made huge advances dealing with drunken driving, no open bottles, almost going overboard with the "W" plates, and even that won't stop the addicted drunks from getting behind the wheel. Extremely sever court ordered penalties, hiked insurance rates, etc are the only real deterrent and that gets out of control also.
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I don't use my phone while driving, it's a $1000 fine if you have a CDL, but I do use it as my GPS which is far safer than a map, written directions, of fumbling around lost.
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In any "accident" which this does not seem to be, if some one is killed, their DL should be removed until the trial. No exceptions!!!!
Further the law need to be changed so that if it can be proved that a driver that injures or kills someone while on a cell phone, the penality should be doubled.
Further the law need to be changed so that if it can be proved that a driver that injures or kills someone while on a cell phone, the penality should be doubled.
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Here most people like this one don't feel guilt for what they have done. They are upset because they got caught. "Gee, I've been doing this forever. If that cyclist and her kids hadn't been there none of this would have happened. I mean, who tows kids behind a bike along a street anyway?"