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Old 08-22-08, 11:08 AM
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The REAL reason I wear a helmet ---> OTHER PEOPLE.

You may be confident on you bike and not think that YOU will not fall but what if you get struck by a car or someone not paying attention? I wear a helmet for the same reason I wear a seat belt. Not because I don't trust myself, I just don't trust other people behind the wheel/bars.

As for wearing a helmet on a construction site... it's called a Hard Hat and you're legally obliged to wear one and safety boots on a site.
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Old 08-22-08, 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by Fix Is In View Post
As for wearing a helmet on a construction site... it's called a Hard Hat and you're legally obliged to wear one and safety boots on a site.
The example was of a ped walking through a construction zone, not working on a construction site. No wonder you guys have such a hard time with this debate, simple things seem to be complicated to you.
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Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
The example was of a ped walking through a construction zone, not working on a construction site. No wonder you guys have such a hard time with this debate, simple things seem to be complicated to you.
And you don't understand that Construction Zones put up roofs over the sidewalks to protect pedestrians thus negating the need for a helmet (Hard hat).

Simple things do seem too complicated for you.
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Old 08-22-08, 12:28 PM
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Originally Posted by Fix Is In View Post
...but what if you get struck by a car or someone not paying attention?
I'm not silly enough to believe that a few ounces of styrofoam are going to be useful when struck by a car.
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Originally Posted by Zeuser View Post
And you don't understand that Construction Zones put up roofs over the sidewalks to protect pedestrians thus negating the need for a helmet (Hard hat).

Simple things do seem too complicated for you.
If you ever leave home you'll note that things are not the same everywhere.
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Old 08-22-08, 07:31 PM
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Not without a court order they aren't!
not to mention the over-the-top religious fanatics sneaking in to water the veggies, so to speak.
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Old 08-23-08, 06:41 AM
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Six Jours you are the best. Don't wear your helmet in pride! Now get over yourself and your incessant defense of not wearing a helmet. I KNOW you think they are stupid, I KNOW that you think they won't protect you so here is what you should do. Convince hockey leagues, football leagues, car racing and anything else that requires a helmet that they do nothing, that is your challenge! Let us know how it's goes.
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Old 08-23-08, 07:00 AM
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I find this absolutely amazing.

Three years, five months and 3700+ posts in this thread.

The Anti-helmet group hasn't convinced the pro-helmet group. Nor, has the pro helmet group convinced the anti-helmet group.

As I said, "amazing".
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Old 08-23-08, 07:07 AM
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I'm not sure there actually is an 'anti-helmet group'.
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Old 08-23-08, 07:09 AM
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Originally Posted by Ed in GA View Post
I find this absolutely amazing.

Three years, five months and 3700+ posts in this thread.

The Anti-helmet group hasn't convinced the pro-helmet group. Nor, has the pro helmet group convinced the anti-helmet group.

As I said, "amazing".
It seems to be an issue that will go on and on, thus... it's a sticky!

I find the way the debate is constructed or presented almost as fascinating as the topic itself.

That there's been 20 or 30 years of relentless helmet promotion and (at least) half the people (in the most helmet friendly areas) still refuse to wear them, says quite a bit too.

There isn't an anti-helmet group here. More like a pro-choice or helmet skeptic group and I don't think anyone is trying to convince anyone else of anything. We're just laying out what we think and why we think it.

Funny what people assume of others based on little information. I've been called anti-car and a health nut by co-workers simply because I've always commuted to work by bike. I'm neither (either). Post (or give) a bit of information that is different than what someone thinks they know, and someone calls you anti-helmet (or anti-whatever).

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Originally Posted by Fix Is In View Post
Six Jours you are the best. Don't wear your helmet in pride! Now get over yourself and your incessant defense of not wearing a helmet. I KNOW you think they are stupid, I KNOW that you think they won't protect you so here is what you should do. Convince hockey leagues, football leagues, car racing and anything else that requires a helmet that they do nothing, that is your challenge! Let us know how it's goes.
I'm told our two countries share a language but there are times I don't believe it.

I usually wear a helmet and pride or lack thereof has nothing to do with it.

I don't think they are stupid, I just think their protective properties are vastly overrated.

I do not play football so cannot comment on the helmets used in that activity. I played hockey for several years and saw that outside of competition many players went without helmets. Being as hockey players tend to be hard men -- like bicycle racers used to be -- no issue was made of it.

And as for motor racing, I know for an ironclad fact that the large, heavy helmets used in those activities offer substantial protection. Which is why I suggest cyclists who are looking for real protection -- as opposed to the veneer of safety offered by bicycle helmets -- at least don full-face downhill helmets, if not those approved for motorsports.
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Old 08-23-08, 12:36 PM
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Originally Posted by Six jours View Post
I'm not silly enough to believe that a few ounces of styrofoam are going to be useful when struck by a car.
Yes, but they will help if your head goes a-bouncing on the tarmac, or when you slide sideways spinning headfirst into the curb/lamppost/tree/hydrant/etc.
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Old 08-23-08, 01:14 PM
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They may, in the former case, although statistically it looks like a wash. In the latter instances, the helmet makers are quite clear in explaining that their products are not designed to protect against impacts with immovable objects.

Personally speaking, my only real safety concern when riding is being struck by a car, and that is one area where there is little disagreement with the idea that typical bicycle helmets are not going to make a substantive difference. Having seen firsthand how poorly motorcyclists -- in full protective garb and massive fullface helmets -- fare against cars, I have zero confidence in the ability of a few ounces of styrofoam to help.
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Old 08-23-08, 04:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Fix Is In View Post
...Convince hockey leagues...
Been following the Olympics much?
It's only Ice hockey that really pushes for helmets and masses of protective gear, roller hockey does too, but not to the same degree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey

Honestly I don't understand why so many here want to control everyone else.

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Old 08-23-08, 07:51 PM
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I wear a helmet, I have brains to protect. The one's who don't wear helmets must not have any brains to protect.......IMHO.......

Better safe than sorry.......

I see a LOT of kids NOT wearing helmets while either bicycling or skateboarding or riding those electric scooters. Mom and dad obviously don't care at all.
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Old 08-24-08, 03:07 AM
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And so Tommyr restarts the name calling and insults.
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Old 08-24-08, 08:05 AM
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and the expert understanding and analysis of the topic by one side of the argument is (once again) on display
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If so, then what are the benefits of wearing a helmet?



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They may, in the former case, although statistically it looks like a wash. In the latter instances, the helmet makers are quite clear in explaining that their products are not designed to protect against impacts with immovable objects.

Personally speaking, my only real safety concern when riding is being struck by a car, and that is one area where there is little disagreement with the idea that typical bicycle helmets are not going to make a substantive difference. Having seen firsthand how poorly motorcyclists -- in full protective garb and massive fullface helmets -- fare against cars, I have zero confidence in the ability of a few ounces of styrofoam to help.
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Originally Posted by rocoach View Post
If so, then what are the benefits of wearing a helmet?

Well of coarse helmets are NOT designed to help much if you're hit by a car, they are to protect you in MINOR falls/accidents. Your BEST protection for the harder stuff is AWARENESS and COMMON SENSE as well as following the laws regarding signal lights, stop signs, signaling,etc. Walkers and bicyclists are the most vulnerable out there obviously. We need to PAY CLOSER ATTENTION to our surroundings. Our lives depend on it.

Helmets don't cramp anyone's style. That's a ridiculous statement IMHO.

As someone else said, you'd look even more stupid laying in an ICU unit than wearing a helmet. I don't care that I'm not a fashion statement. I'm not some vein moron.....
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I believe helmets are good at preventing abrasions and other minor injury. I also believe they can reduce or prevent severe injury and death in a narrow set of circumstances.

There are some situations in which I would much prefer to wear a helmet, like a criterium or track race where high energy falls are fairly likely, or mountain biking, because I'm such a lousy mountain biker.

There are other situations -- such as my usual relaxed solo rides on the bike trail, where any fall is unlikely, high energy falls are essentially impossible, and being struck by a car is out of the question -- where the functionality of a cycling cap outweighs, for me, any potential benefit from the helmet.

Put another way, I have ridden and raced on several continents and occasionally at very high levels for almost three decades and have yet to have experienced a situation where a helmet would have prevented an injury. Yes, it's true that "you never can tell", but that's true of almost every situation we face in life, and few of us have taken precautions against the possibility of falling down the stairs or falling in the tub.
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Originally Posted by Tommyr View Post
Well of coarse helmets are NOT designed to help much if you're hit by a car, they are to protect you in MINOR falls/accidents....

...As someone else said, you'd look even more stupid laying in an ICU unit* than wearing a helmet. I don't care that I'm not a fashion statement. I'm not some vein moron.....
You've contradicted yourself, anything that is going to put you into intensive care* isn't going to be a minor fall/accident, it's going to be something serious.

The sad thing is many cyclists who are hit and killed are wearing helmets, and even when they aren't wearing helmets, the cause of death tends not to be head injuries alone, but rather multiple injuries sustained over the entire body.



*btw, you've written Intensive care unit unit in your post, a common mistake, much like PIN number...
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Originally Posted by twiggy_D View Post
You've contradicted yourself, anything that is going to put you into intensive care* isn't going to be a minor fall/accident, it's going to be something serious.

The sad thing is many cyclists who are hit and killed are wearing helmets, and even when they aren't wearing helmets, the cause of death tends not to be head injuries alone, but rather multiple injuries sustained over the entire body.

*btw, you've written Intensive care unit unit in your post, a common mistake, much like PIN number...

I know what I wrote and I stand by it. Nothing contradictory about it. A simple fall COULD do enough damage to put you in ICU as well. I'd rather try to do SOMETHING to HELP protect one of the most sensitive areas of my body then not do anything at all. That is just common sense.
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I know what I wrote and I stand by it. Nothing contradictory about it. A simple fall COULD do enough damage to put you in ICU as well. I'd rather try to do SOMETHING to HELP protect one of the most sensitive areas of my body then not do anything at all. That is just common sense.
My feelings as well after experiencing the differences of my two seperate head impacts with and without a helmet.
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Originally Posted by chipcom View Post
The example was of a ped walking through a construction zone, not working on a construction site. No wonder you guys have such a hard time with this debate, simple things seem to be complicated to you.
You apparently have not been on a construction site recently. There is what is called "Danger Tape," and people in construction who are familiar with it know it means "Do not cross!" If you cross the tape, and enter the construction zone where there is a danger of overhead hazards, people around you will probably respond if you don't have your PPE (hard hat, safety boots, vest, etc.). Pedestrians are forbidden from such zones because of the potential liability on the General Contractor. Any subcontractor witnessing this and not responding could have some liability too.

The only way a pedestrian would be allowed in would be if a barrier were to be built to preclude the potential for an overhead hazard for the pedestrians. This is known for construction sites around the world, as is shown in the accompanying photo of a capture netting above a pedestrian walkway on a street in Hong Kong.

You have tried a simplistic argument, which is not based on real-world conditions. You are not comparing apples to apples here.

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Originally Posted by twiggy_D View Post
Been following the Olympics much?
It's only Ice hockey that really pushes for helmets and masses of protective gear, roller hockey does too, but not to the same degree.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hockey

Honestly I don't understand why so many here want to control everyone else.
Actually, I think I saw helmets on the BMX bicycle races for the Olympics too. I'm pretty sure one of the spills left a competitor with a broken arm.

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