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genec 08-20-14 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by HawkOwl (Post 17054889)
Seems a perfectly reasonable accommodation for people who have difficulty climbing stairs but still want, and probably need, to work out. That others may take advantage of this excellent accommodation is more an indicator of their mental fitness than it is of 24Hr Fitness' facility.

Perhaps a Handicap Only sign at the beginning of the motorized stairs would be appropriate? Until someone started screaming "Discrimination".

Seems that way until you find out that there is parking for disabled on the entrance level, and that the escalators are aimed at the able folks.

I-Like-To-Bike 08-20-14 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by FBinNY (Post 17054954)
I saw nothing wrong with the post as posted.

Obviously not. I suppose you also see no issue with the other gratuitous posts on this thread and often posted elsewhere on BF which ooze of smarmy bicyclist attitude toward strangers who don't choose the oh-so-darn-good-for-the Earth/health/whatever path of the enlightened bicyclist.

I-Like-To-Bike 08-20-14 12:50 PM


Originally Posted by genec (Post 17055018)
Seems that way until you find out that there is parking for disabled on the entrance level, and that the escalators are aimed at the able folks.

So what? What specifically are you advocating?

FBinNY 08-20-14 12:56 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 17055025)
Obviously not. I suppose you also see no issue with the other gratuitous posts on this thread and often posted elsewhere on BF which ooze of smarmy bicyclist attitude toward strangers who don't choose the oh-so-darn-good-for-the Earth/health/whatever path of the enlightened bicyclist.

I rarely have issues with posts on forums, whether I agree o not, or how smarmy. That's what forums are for. People post facts or opinions, or simply vent, and it's sort of no harm, no foul. Of course, I reserve similar rights for myself.

But ranting on a forum is very different from accosting strangers and ranting at them.

The difference between simply ranting and directing a rant at someone, is pretty much where I draw the line.

JameB 08-20-14 12:59 PM

Sounds like something the cops should address in the community...

I-Like-To-Bike 08-20-14 01:04 PM


Originally Posted by FBinNY (Post 17055043)
I rarely have issues with posts on forums, whether I agree o not, or how smarmy. That's what forums are for. People post facts or opinions, or simply vent, and it's sort of no harm, no foul. Of course, I reserve similar rights for myself.

But ranting on a forum is very different from accosting strangers and ranting at them.

The difference between simply ranting and directing a rant at someone, is pretty much where I draw the line.

Fair enough, but I suspect that the smarmy bicyclist attitude towards less "enlightened" citizens as expressed in this thread are expressed by same bicyclists and others with the same attitude towards anybody else without bicycling bona fides within earshot at any given opportunity. Hope I am wrong on this, but I doubt it.

I-Like-To-Bike 08-20-14 01:05 PM


Originally Posted by JameB (Post 17055050)
Sounds like something the cops should address in the community...

WHAT sounds like something the cops should address in the community... ?

genec 08-20-14 01:07 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 17055028)
So what? What specifically are you advocating?

Exercise! for folks seeking exercise.

RPK79 08-20-14 01:08 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 17055071)
WHAT sounds like something the cops should address in the community... ?

I'm guessing here, but I'd have to say the lady driving across the road and blocking the cyclists on the opposite shoulder to check her mail.

JameB 08-20-14 01:13 PM


Originally Posted by JameB (Post 17055050)
Sounds like something the cops should address in the community...


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 17055071)
WHAT sounds like something the cops should address in the community... ?


Originally Posted by Equinox (Post 17050857)
I live in a semi-rural area where people have their mailbox at the end of their driveway. I order to avoid walking to the box to pick up their mail, they will drive up to it in their vehicles. This often means that they will wind up on the shoulder facing against oncoming traffic. This is a serious hazard to cyclists who are forced to take the lane at an inopportune time. It also effects oncoming cars who generally swerve into oncoming traffic to avoid the vehicle on the shoulder.

Was it not obvious? The fact that it has become the norm for people to be crossing the centre line when there is on-coming traffic should be an issue addressed by the local law enforcement.

RPK79 08-20-14 01:16 PM


Originally Posted by JameB (Post 17055096)
Was it not obvious? The fact that it has become the norm for people to be crossing the centre line when there is on-coming traffic should be an issue addressed by the local law enforcement.

I think the problem was that they had shifted the topic so far from the OP that they became confused when an on topic comment floated to the surface.

JameB 08-20-14 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by RPK79 (Post 17055105)
I think the problem was that they had shifted the topic so far from the OP that they became confused when an on topic comment floated to the surface.

Yeah I didn't read comments after the first few.. :P

Keith99 08-20-14 01:38 PM


Originally Posted by achoo (Post 17051145)
You think that's funny? Watch a gym parking lot right after the new year. Drivers "vulture" for parking spots as close to the gym as possible when there are wide open spots just 100 yards away from the door.

I sometimes just want to scream out, "If you'd WALK more than 10 yards maybe you wouldn't need a resolution to get yourself in a shape other than rotund!"

I think it was a local Mercedes dealer who had a whole series of 'people are different here' ads. One had a couple stretching in their driveway and then one asking if the other was ready. Answer, yes and they both enter the car just as a pedestrian is walking by. They back out and park right in front of the gym next door, just as the same pedestrian goes by.

Still not as bad as some of what I see locally. People waiting to get a space right in front of the in door for Home Depot when the very next aisle is empty. So they wait to get a space 3 spaces down in the closest aisle. They save the whole of... LESS THAN NOTHING. They will end up going out the exit door so if one does care about steps it is how close the front of the row you are as long as you are in a row between the 2 doors.

Lazy and stupid.

I-Like-To-Bike 08-20-14 07:56 PM


Originally Posted by JameB (Post 17055144)
Yeah I didn't read comments after the first few.. :P

You might find it useful to use the Reply With Quote function; it might clarify the intent of your response.

kickstart 08-20-14 10:00 PM

It seems some people could stand to aim a little higher in regards to what makes them feel morally superior....or better yet, try a little humility.

Camilo 08-21-14 06:00 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 17055025)
Obviously not. I suppose you also see no issue with the other gratuitous posts on this thread and often posted elsewhere on BF which ooze of smarmy bicyclist attitude toward strangers who don't choose the oh-so-darn-good-for-the Earth/health/whatever path of the enlightened bicyclist.

I'll admit I have a bias - not a rock solid bias but pretty darn solid - against fat people. Most people think they have a god given right to eat how ever much they want, and to eat whatever crap they want.... and to never put an ounce of effort into maintaining health. Actually, I'm not talking only about fat people, but some people live that lifestyle and might actually be not fat, or maybe just 10-15 pounds overweight just because they're naturally thin. But they're still not even a tiny modicum of fit or healthy.

I work hard not to be fat. I'm not a fanatic, but I walk where I can, take stairs where it's practical, and find physical activities I enjoy (I'm not disciplined enough to do things strictly for "fitness", they must be enjoyable to me).

Most people don't do that, and most fat people don't do a dam thing to be not fat. Therefore, my bias applies accurately to most of the fat people out there, I believe. Screw 'em. They're fat and lazy and costing all of us a bunch of money.

By the way, in case you think I'm a fanatic, I'm not. I like unhealthy food and indulge. But only to a certain extent. I exercise because I do things that are fun for me but not a zealot. I'm about 5-8 and ~165 LBS, not an Adonis by any means.

FBinNY 08-21-14 06:55 PM


Originally Posted by Camilo (Post 17058969)
I'll admit I have a bias - .... - against fat people. Most people think they have a god given right to eat how ever much they want, ....

And they're 100% correct in that assumption. They'll (maybe) pay their dues with poor health or a shorter life expectancy, but either way it's not your business unless you;re married to one of them (and even then still maybe not so much).

The argument that such and such behavior by others is somehow impacting on you or costing you (or society) dough has a mirror image. I'm sure that something you do has a societal cost higher than average.

That's life, and if you're going to live in a free -- hopefully and sort of -- you have to accept and tolerate the choices others make, good and not so good, the same way you'd hope they can accept and tolerate yours. I'm not saying we have to accept all choices, some we regulate through law, and this post isn't about that.

I-Like-To-Bike 08-21-14 07:57 PM


Originally Posted by Camilo (Post 17058969)
By the way, in case you think I'm a fanatic, I'm not. I like unhealthy food and indulge. But only to a certain extent. I exercise because I do things that are fun for me but not a zealot. I'm about 5-8 and ~165 LBS, not an Adonis by any means.

I don't have to think about if you are a fanatic or a zealot; your own words confirm it. But you ride a bike so that makes you believe you are something special and entitled to brag about your nasty bias.

kickstart 08-22-14 12:55 AM


Originally Posted by Camilo (Post 17058969)
I'll admit I have a bias......Screw 'em......I'm a fanatic.

Fewer words, same message.

Brennan 08-23-14 10:48 AM


Originally Posted by FBinNY (Post 17050962)
That's OK. I once saw somebody make three stops on one short string of errands. Stop one, go in for a minute, come out drive the car 1/2 block to the 2nd stop, then make a U-turn and drive back to the middle of the block for the 3rd errand. The total distance covered must have been less than 50 yards + crossing the street.

People are lazy.

Heh, I'm lazy too, which is why I would have parked once and walked to the different stores. I find parking and maneuvering a car in a commercial area to be a much bigger PITA than just walking, so I'm not sure that laziness explains the behavior.

FBinNY 08-23-14 11:19 AM


Originally Posted by Brennan (Post 17063698)
Heh, I'm lazy too, which is why I would have parked once and walked to the different stores. I find parking and maneuvering a car in a commercial area to be a much bigger PITA than just walking, so I'm not sure that laziness explains the behavior.

Yes, I would have done the same thing. But laziness isn't always logical. There's also the difference between mental and physical effort, and time lost/gained vs. physical effort.

I call it laziness, but maybe there should be a word that describes the lengths people go to to save walking a few yards. Visit any large shopping mall on a busy afternoon. You'll see folks driving round and round looking for a "convenient" spot near the entrance, or near the end of the mall where they plan to shop, while empty spaces go begging at the periphery.

So, is it "laziness" or do we have a more appropriate word for it in the English language. It's said that Inuits have 60 words for snow, maybe given all the ways we've become lazy, maybe Americans need 60 words for avoidance of physical effort.

I-Like-To-Bike 08-23-14 04:29 PM

How many words are there in English to describe "judgmental" or perhaps "disparaging" opinions/statements?

FBinNY 08-23-14 04:42 PM


Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike (Post 17064387)
How many words are there in English to describe "judgmental" or perhaps "disparaging" opinions/statements?

I guess that's 2 for starters.


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