Dooring from a Cyclist's POV
Here's a video of a cyclist getting doored. |
Man, that guy was incredibly calm... :|
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lost all sympathy from the get go the way he shot the gap between the two jay walkers. Karma can be a b......
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I dunno kickstart.. I'm pretty sure that in NYC jaywalking is illegal and highly ticketed for..
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Originally Posted by iconicflux
(Post 17125640)
I dunno kickstart.. I'm pretty sure that in NYC jaywalking is illegal and highly ticketed for..
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He was doing 25mph.. could be he thought it was safest. What I don't get is that he has an airzound horn on his bike but he didn't use it to alert the jaywalkers. That's the part of it that bothers me..
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Originally Posted by iconicflux
(Post 17125649)
He was doing 25mph.. could be he thought it was safest. What I don't get is that he has an airzound horn on his bike but he didn't use it to alert the jaywalkers. That's the part of it that bothers me..
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I get that from his comment in the video but I agree with you that I wouldn't have thought he was doing more than 18mph. I suppose we can figure out exactly how fast he was going with some math. :-P
Originally Posted by kickstart
(Post 17125655)
That's faster than I guesstimated, no way I would be going that speed under those conditions. Unlike those who are sure to rebuke me, I'm not a world class athlete with cat like reflexes, and prefer to allow for a margin of error. Looks like a case of ones ego overriding their skills.
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Originally Posted by iconicflux
(Post 17125663)
I get that from his comment in the video but I agree with you that I wouldn't have thought he was doing more than 18mph. I suppose we can figure out exactly how fast he was going with some math. :-P
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I agree that it was too fast. What surprises me is that the dooring didn't happen from the parked cars. I was totally expecting some parked car mashing and suddenly it's a jackass taxi that stopped in a traffic lane.
Originally Posted by kickstart
(Post 17125670)
Without any math, I can observe it was obviously too fast, that's all that matters to me.
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Originally Posted by iconicflux
(Post 17125674)
I agree that it was too fast. What surprises me is that the dooring didn't happen from the parked cars. I was totally expecting some parked car mashing and suddenly it's a jackass taxi that stopped in a traffic lane.
My time in NYC pre dates the bike lanes, but I learned that one should expect someone to pop out of a cab at any moment and are a far greater door hazard than a parked car. Its been pointed out in other threads that fast riders do best to avoid streets with bike lanes for this reason. Mandatory bike lane use, and thoughtless riders are a bad combination. |
Originally Posted by kickstart
(Post 17125636)
lost all sympathy from the get go the way he shot the gap between the two jay walkers. Karma can be a b......
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Originally Posted by Clyde1820
(Post 17125740)
Didn't have any sympathy for the folks walking across the lane in front of oncoming traffic, myself. Doesn't matter that it was "only" a bike in that lane. The folks jetted out from between two cars and didn't care a bit that an oncoming vehicle was approaching. They'd not have done that with a car, for all the obvious reasons, but they thought they could get away with it given the oncoming vehicle was "only" a bike. I, too, have little sympathy, but for those behaviors ... which were the threat. As was opening the door into the other lane without looking.
Speaking from personal experience, that's typical pedestrian behavior in NYC and other major city centers that's not effected by the type of vehicle. |
A typical "stupid" incident in NYC. Jaywalkers, dopey cab and passenger, a cyclist going way, way too fast for the area. If i ride Union Square area - I am typically doing 12 -14 mph, or lower.
I didn't finish the video...too much of a daily reminder of what life is like in the BIG CRAPPLE. |
That guy is incredibly calm. he didn't even drop an F-bomb when he crashed. I would have strung together a legendary jumble of curse words that could make a sailor blush. I need lessons from him. I've been doored and I've also hit a moving car that was totally my fault. I never trust drivers or cars parked in random places.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
(Post 17125646)
That's not an excuse for unsafe behavior.
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Originally Posted by kickstart
(Post 17125712)
In the 30 odd seconds before the dooring, the rider flew past a construction site, delivery truck and driver, moving truck and crew, a limo encroaching the bike lane, several pedestrians and jaywalkers, and through double and single sided door zones. Too many potential hazards in rapid succession for that speed.
My time in NYC pre dates the bike lanes, but I learned that one should expect someone to pop out of a cab at any moment and are a far greater door hazard than a parked car. Its been pointed out in other threads that fast riders do best to avoid streets with bike lanes for this reason. Mandatory bike lane use, and thoughtless riders are a bad combination. |
Originally Posted by genec
(Post 17125929)
What about the "thoughtless" delivery truck and driver, moving truck and crew, limo, and several pedestrians and jaywalkers ... all encroaching the well marked and mandatory bike lane... don't they share some responsibility for their illegal actions?
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Originally Posted by VTBike
(Post 17126021)
Nobody has suggested otherwise. Are you unsure about this?
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Originally Posted by genec
(Post 17126133)
No, it was a rhetorical question meant to spur some thinking on the part of viewers of this thread.
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The only thing it makes me think is that when you cram that many people into that small of space (NYC) there are going to conflicts, crashes, collisions, and chaotic behaviors.
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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 17126146)
What are we supposed to think about regarding "thoughtless" delivery truck and driver, moving truck and crew, limo, and several pedestrians and jaywalkers encroaching the well marked and mandatory bike lane?
Go ahead... try expressing your thoughts... just what might you do in such a situation? |
Originally Posted by iconicflux
(Post 17125649)
He was doing 25mph.. could be he thought it was safest. What I don't get is that he has an airzound horn on his bike but he didn't use it to alert the jaywalkers. That's the part of it that bothers me..
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The cab was over to the far left of the lane (tires almost on the white line) and its four way flashers were clearly activated. To me, those two things meant that someone was either going to be getting in or out of the cab.
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Originally Posted by genec
(Post 17125929)
What about the "thoughtless" delivery truck and driver, moving truck and crew, limo, and several pedestrians and jaywalkers ... all encroaching the well marked and mandatory bike lane... don't they share some responsibility for their illegal actions?
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