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Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20794647)
Using similar emotion based "logic", safety nannys should proselytize at the public to not ride in motor vehicles or ride bicycles in order to reduce all types of injuries, not just head injuries, from riding and driving.
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
(Post 20794397)
Looking at ER data, the surprising answer is that even with all of the automobile safety features, the chances of an intracranial injury is about the same whether you're in the vehicle or on the bike. From a per-accident basis. By "about the same" I mean within an order of magnitude.
My own hunch is that I'm more likely to get hit by a car when I'm driving than when I'm riding. To my knowledge the risk of a serious head injury is approximately the same. So common sense tells me that I'd rather wear a helmet driving than riding. |
Originally Posted by Gresp15C
(Post 20794751)
What kind of helmet do you wear for driving?
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Originally Posted by Gresp15C
(Post 20794751)
What kind of helmet do you wear for driving?
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Originally Posted by wphamilton
(Post 20795066)
I don't wear a helmet when driving - that would be silly because the risk is so slight.
I also don't understand why you think it is better not to wear a helmet when cycling but a better idea in a car when the odds, according to you, are the same. Any chance of producing all the evidence and statistics to support one of what is at present your contradictory arguments? You'd also better state whether the vehicle contained what is now the standard safety items, a seat belt, now compulsory in so many places, and an airbag. |
Of course he can have it both ways.
Care to guess who wears a seatbelt when driving - which would be silly because the risk is so slight? -mr. bill |
Erm I agree with helmets and I come from U.K. where it’s not compulsory and am also half Dutch. These are my experiences 1. When I was a child my brakes snapped and ended up going overhandlebars I got a graze on my knee which has faded now and a graze on my face as I scrapped my face I still have this scar. 2. 2 years ago I was going downhill near my face for some reason my brakes didn’t work on time I ended up skidding into a bush and then fell off my helmet visor snapped off and got stuck in between my spokes and handlebars got messed up. I noticed there was blood coming from somewhere as there was a stain on the visor and drips on the floor. No one was around. I was a bit shaky and headache. But I ended up taking my phone out and checking through camera turns out I just cut my lip. So I just had a swollen lip and cut for a week and a few bruises. 3. I skidded twice once into curb and on wet mud as I pressed the brake so lost traction. 4. It’s the law for motorbike and moped riders to wear helmets so why not cyclists? After all a motorbike is basically a bike with a engine and both go on road Those that don’t agree with helmets. why Do you see horse riders always wear helmets. Same with the local PCSO’s and police on bicycles. They wear helmets. if helmets had no purose they would of not been invented. As from my experience if I hadn’t been wearing a helmet in above situations I would of ended up worse! |
Yes, that's why I wear a helmet, in case someone runs into the curb...:injured:
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Is it that hard to follow: if "common sense" tells me that a helmet may be needed more for driving than cycling, and yet I don't wear one driving, it follows that I want to wear one cycling even less? That the slight risk is even slighter, do I have to spell everything out, or is the reasoning just that hard to grasp?
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Sorry, wph, always thought you and logic were at loggerheads, I mean you don't use it often. Also, it doesn't follow, unless your bike is equipped with seatbelts, airbags and other current safety devices. To labour the point, a bike has little If any protection against the results of an accident. Surely, given that scenario, if you do have an accident, you probably will want a helmet, despite the fact you think the odds are minimal. Your common sense should tell you that.
To advise against a helmet is simply stupid. They should be compulsory, even for the luddites amongst us. |
Buying a helmet ultimately comes down to reviews and trust, cuz I won't even be able to tell if a helmet is actually good in itself, I think
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Originally Posted by avole
(Post 20797643)
Sorry, wph, always thought you and logic were at loggerheads, I mean you don't use it often. Also, it doesn't follow, unless your bike is equipped with seatbelts, airbags and other current safety devices. To labour the point, a bike has little If any protection against the results of an accident. Surely, given that scenario, if you do have an accident, you probably will want a helmet, despite the fact you think the odds are minimal. Your common sense should tell you that.
To advise against a helmet is simply stupid. They should be compulsory, even for the luddites amongst us. |
Originally Posted by 86az135i
(Post 20800409)
Unhealthy food should be banned by government as well. It kills far more people. Are you aware of how many have died at the hands of Twinkies, HoHos or Zebra Cakes? To argue against that fact is simply stupid. We need the government to protect us.
What that has to do with helmets I have no idea. You can clear up one thing, though: is the wearing of seatbelts compulsory in your country? I mean, what an infringement on your personal liberty !! |
Originally Posted by avole
(Post 20800493)
No idea what you are talking about, those are food substitutes available in the US? Yes, if they are poisoning people, you certainly should.
What that has to do with helmets I have no idea. You can clear up one thing, though: is the wearing of seatbelts compulsory in your country? I mean, what an infringement on your personal liberty !! Yes unfortunately seat belts are regulated in most states in the US. They are an infringement. Luckily I live in a state where an officer cannot pull you over and ticket you for not having a seat belt on, unless they are already pulling you over for a different citation. So I can choose to not wear a seat belt in my state and be legal. Helmets should not be mandatory, or as in Europe 'compulsory' just because they potentially protect people. If that's the case where should you stop at personal safety? There is no good argument that personal safety should be enforced and regulated. Public safety, or safety those not to the age of consent or adulthood, I can agree with. |
I'm appalled by your answer. I suspect by far the majority other readers feel exactly the same. Not worth bothering further.
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Originally Posted by 86az135i
(Post 20800542)
Helmets should not be mandatory, or as in Europe 'compulsory' just because they potentially protect people.
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The eu consists currently of 28 countries.
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20800684)
Relax, bicycle helmets are not mandatory/compulsory in Europe; though a few places might have some sort of requirement for children. Few places in the U.S. have such regulations for adults.
Always beware before making generalisations like that, unless you have checked every one. To help you, see this Bicycle_helmet_laws_by_country#Legislation_by_country Europe , and this: helmet laws by state in the USA The latter surprised me, didn't know legislation was so widespread. |
Originally Posted by avole
(Post 20800748)
Plus 5 or so. Europe refers to a collection of independent countries. Are you 100 % sure that bicycle helmets are not mandatory/compulsory i all those countries and municipalities?
Always beware before making generalisations like that, unless you have checked every one. To help you, see this Bicycle_helmet_laws_by_country#Legislation_by_country Europe , and this: helmet laws by state in the USA The latter surprised me, didn't know legislation was so widespread. |
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20800766)
As I posted, no U.S. state requires adults to wear bicycle helmets. I stand corrected about Europe, a few small Eastern European countries and outlier Spain have safety nanny restrictions in place for adult bicyclists. Charming!
Also good to see you ignored the stats that come from your own country re fatalities. Get back to me in 15 years, when helmets are compulsory in the majority of countries on the planet, as I'm sure you are aware they will be whether you like it or not. |
I-Like-To-Light’s christmas tree is verbotten in Germany. Those... ...nannys! In Seattle, adults have to wear a helmet, because law. In New York City, adults get helment tickets whenever one of us is killed, and on the first nice spring days, and other days, because NYPD. -mr. bill |
Originally Posted by avole
(Post 20800613)
I'm appalled by your answer. I suspect by far the majority other readers feel exactly the same. Not worth bothering further.
Originally Posted by I-Like-To-Bike
(Post 20800684)
Relax, bicycle helmets are not mandatory/compulsory in Europe; though a few places might have some sort of requirement for children. Few places in the U.S. have such regulations for adults.
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Originally Posted by 86az135i
(Post 20801016)
I meant the term 'compulsory', not that all of Europe mandates it. Most people would not use that term in the US and just say mandatory.
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Did you know the people in Washington State who are required to wear helmets exceeds the population of Iowa? Did you know the people on US military bases (service personnel, their dependents, contractors, retirees etc) who are required to wear bicycle helmets exceeds the population of Iowa? Those... ...nannys. -mr. bill |
Originally Posted by mr_bill
(Post 20801463)
Did you know the people in Washington State who are required to wear helmets exceeds the popultation of Iowa?
Did you know the people on US military bases (service personnel, their dependents, contractors, retirees etc) who are required to wear bicycle helmets exceeds the population of Iowa? Those... ...nannys. -mr. bill I am well aware of military organizations' bureaucrats (i.e. nannys) writing arbitrary regulations because they think they have a "good idea", and they can get away with it, affecting personnel to include the length of their head and facial hair, sexual practices, location of tattoos, mandatory "training" on social issues, mandatory requirement for Anthrax inoculations and ingestion of questionable prophylactic drugs despite no evidence of any credible Anthrax threat, etc. Writing and enforcing an arbitrary Regulation making bicycle helmet wear mandatory for adults, without any credible evidence of solving a problem or improving health or safety of affected personnel, is consistent with that scheme of personnel control. Are the personal restrictions and regulations of DOD what you would like to be the standard for Massachusetts or anywhere else in the U.S.? If not, what the heck is your point besides hectoring other posters? |
Originally Posted by avole
(Post 20801775)
How do you feel about gun laws in your state, I-Like_To_Bike ? Do you think that banning guns would affect the figures of people entering hospital after accidental, or otherwise, wounds?
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