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Trakhak 02-23-23 12:49 PM


Originally Posted by curbtender (Post 22809614)
So would you suggest that if someone likes to go downhill fast they should wear a helmet? I watch pro's get it in some crazy accidents and I think there is wisdom built into them wearing helmets. I'll agree, that there are a lot of risk factors you can avoid but you would take the fun out of riding.

Speed matters very little, unless you run into something or vice versa. Even falling backwards while standing still, your head can hit the ground with, and I quote from wherever I read it, "lethal velocity." A bullet fired horizontally from a gun and a bullet dropped from your hand from the same height will hit the ground at (almost exactly) the same time.

Helmets for cyclists, helmets for soldiers, helmets for construction workers---they're unnecessary until they are, and they can't keep you safe in every possible situation, but smart people wear them for the situations where they'd help. I think of my helmet as a cheap, one-payment add-on to my medical insurance.

I-Like-To-Bike 02-23-23 03:36 PM


Originally Posted by Trakhak (Post 22809793)
Speed matters very little, unless you run into something or vice versa. Even falling backwards while standing still, your head can hit the ground with, and I quote from wherever I read it, "lethal velocity." A bullet fired horizontally from a gun and a bullet dropped from your hand from the same height will hit the ground at (almost exactly) the same time.

But not with the same velocity, nor the same energy delivered to the ground; bad example.

steine13 02-23-23 04:13 PM

>> bad example.

Unfortunately: Great example.

A cycling buddy of mine wiped out near a stand-still and fell to the ground, hitting his head. Got a concussion, had to go to the emergency room, headache, several days off work, etc. etc.
His grown son was with him, and neither of them understands what really happened.

They weren't riding, they were out for a walk.
That's the point I was trying to make several posts up: the logic for wearing a helmet while cycling is sound, but its logical conclusion has you wearing a helmet whenever you are in motion, wether cycling, walking, or driving.

cheers -mathias

RoadWearier 03-03-23 08:28 AM

Foldable Bike Helmet? Anyone Buy This?
 
I'm looking for a lightweight helmet for my commute and saw this on Temu. I thought it was a great idea but not if it's garbage. I have a cheaper helmet that I hate. It's heavy and feels like it's perched on my head despite the fact that it is indeed sized and fitted appropriately.


https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...09249cfed5.png
​​​​​ https://share.temu.com/ySJxCNYKnr

Maelochs 03-03-23 09:09 AM

There are all kinds of lower-cost bike helmets out there which are actual bike helmets---that is, they are liable to fold in an impact, and will actually offer you all the protection a certified safe bike helmet will offer.

I usually don't wear a helmet on the road, but since most group rides require one, and off-road I prefer one .... still I have never paid more than about $30 - $50 for a helmet. I wear Bell because they fit my head, but if I chose to do a serious search i am sure I could find a lot ... and not knock-offs .... last year's leftovers, models which didn't sell well, etc ...

There is Zero reason to wear an uncomfortable helmet. And ... I am sorry if the experts lied to you, but if it is not comfortable it is Not "sized and fitted appropriately." I am surprised I would even have to say this.

RoadWearier 03-03-23 09:22 AM

You don't have to say anything, really.

Maelochs 03-03-23 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by RoadWearier (Post 22817874)
You don't have to say anything, really.

Nor do you, sir. You chose to, I chose to.

Ain't life grand?

msu2001la 03-03-23 09:35 AM


Originally Posted by RoadWearier (Post 22817811)
I'm looking for a lightweight helmet for my commute and saw this on Temu. I thought it was a great idea but not if it's garbage. I have a cheaper helmet that I hate. It's heavy and feels like it's perched on my head despite the fact that it is indeed sized and fitted appropriately.

Does this helmet actually solve those problems? The folding aspect seems handy for storage, but I don't see how this would have anything to do with the weight or comfortable fit. If anything, it seems like a foldable helmet would make it heavier and less comfortable.

I personally don't have a problem using a regular helmet for commuting, and don't understand how/why a folding helmet would be helpful. I just carry mine, or maybe leave it strapped to my handlebars if I'm running into a store or something.

msu2001la 03-03-23 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by RoadWearier (Post 22817874)
You don't have to say anything, really.

Oh, it's one of those threads. My bad.

Have fun guys.

shelbyfv 03-03-23 09:36 AM


Originally Posted by Maelochs (Post 22817853)
but if it is not comfortable it is Not "sized and fitted appropriately." I am surprised I would even have to say this.

Well, some folks require just that extra bit of hand holding. :twitchy: OP, I'd suggest you go to REI, they have a variety of helmets you can try, find one that's comfortable. They have a nice Bontrager wave cell on sale. If you order online there is a good chance you'll be right back where you are now, with a helmet that doesn't fit.

terrymorse 03-03-23 10:21 AM

That helmet reminds me of the old leather "skid lids", worn by some of us (​​​​​​yes, I admit to having had a short skid lid period).

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...951f8670f7.png

Lo and behold, it's still being sold. Probably doesn't pass the CPSC test.

RoadWearier 03-03-23 10:39 AM

Lol. Always love the snark. Always from the same idiots, too. Like shoes, sometimes a helmet feels good in the store and does t get uncomfortable or feel heavy until hours into a ride. I guess that doesn't happen to maelochunt who never makes any mistakes ever. For us mortals, it does. Especially if we are new to cycling. Thanks to those with real suggestions.

I thought a folding helmet sounded like a great idea so I could carry it in my backpack and not wander around work with a bike helmet like Steve Carell in "The 40-year-old-Virgin."

I went ahead and bought a Giro model that was recommended on another thread. Surprised how few threads there are on helmets. Mostly just pissing matches between pro and anti helmet folks. Guess that's bikeforums.net as usual.

tiger1964 03-03-23 10:50 AM

I guess I really cannot criticize -- my old car has a folding roll bar (difficult car to fit a bar to). :eek:​​​​​​​:eek:​​​​​​​​​​​​​​:eek:​​​​​​​


Originally Posted by RoadWearier (Post 22817811)
I'm looking for a lightweight helmet for my commute and saw this on Temu. I thought it was a great idea but not if it's garbage.

If commuting, I presume you use a mirror. If bike-mounted, good-to-go; if helmet-mounted, is this a problem?


Originally Posted by terrymorse (Post 22817960)
That helmet reminds me of the old leather "skid lids", worn by some of us (​​​​​​yes, I admit to having had a short skid lid period). Lo and behold, it's still being sold. Probably doesn't pass the CPSC test.

My wife threw mine away.:cry: I still want one, but only for vintage-bike rides in controlled conditions (I ride trail-trails a lot). In traffic -- no way.

RoadWearier 03-03-23 10:58 AM

Fwiw, this is the one I got...
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...e77434bbc8.png


Seems like a lot for a bike helmet, I remember when you could get a decent full face motorcycle helmet from Shoei for that much but I had a $100 gift card I couldn't find anything else to do with so it ended up only costing me $40

Anyone have or try this one?

spelger 03-03-23 11:07 AM


Originally Posted by tiger1964 (Post 22818022)
I guess I really cannot criticize -- my old car has a folding roll bar (difficult car to fit a bar to). :eek:​​​​​​​:eek:​​​​​​​​​​​​​​:eek:​​​​​​​

If commuting, I presume you use a mirror. If bike-mounted, good-to-go; if helmet-mounted, is this a problem?

My wife threw mine away.:cry: I still want one, but only for vintage-bike rides in controlled conditions (I ride trail-trails a lot). In traffic -- no way.

nice wheels. can't tell what it is...LBC?

BillyD 03-03-23 01:23 PM

I fail to understand where the hostility came from. Please don’t bring dirty laundry in from other threads.

RoadWearier 03-03-23 02:03 PM


Originally Posted by BillyD (Post 22818204)
I fail to understand where the hostility came from. Please don’t bring dirty laundry in from other threads.


​​​​​IF you don't check the other threads, I'm guessing you won't understand where the hostility comes from. I asked a simple question and the first answer I get back is a smug smart-ass response. You want to take the side of people who have been on here longer, fine.

This is a great forum with a lot of knowledgeable folks on here and I've learned a lot. Unfortunately, as you should well know there's a few people on here who act like *******s. I'm happy to give you IDs if you want them, but all you have to do is read some of the threads. It's the same people generally.

rsbob 03-03-23 02:52 PM


Originally Posted by RoadWearier (Post 22818254)
​​​​​IF you don't check the other threads, I'm guessing you won't understand where the hostility comes from. I asked a simple question and the first answer I get back is a smug smart-ass response. You want to take the side of people who have been on here longer, fine.

This is a great forum with a lot of knowledgeable folks on here and I've learned a lot. Unfortunately, as you should well know there's a few people on here who act like *******s. I'm happy to give you IDs if you want them, but all you have to do is read some of the threads. It's the same people generally.

Save yourself a lot of frustration and go into your User CP Control Panel and add those people to your Ignore List. It made my time here much better. Ain’t no body got no time for snark.

Edit: The Giro helmet was a sound choice.

cb400bill 03-03-23 05:20 PM

Merged latest helmet thread into Helmet Thread 2.

RoadWearier 03-03-23 05:24 PM


Originally Posted by rsbob (Post 22818294)
Save yourself a lot of frustration and go into your User CP Control Panel and add those people to your Ignore List. It made my time here much better. Ain’t no body got no time for snark.

Edit: The Giro helmet was a sound choice.

Thanks man. I knew there was a way to do that but I forgot how. Forums like this are becoming rarer all the time. That will definitely help!

shelbyfv 03-03-23 05:35 PM

A good quality thread rarely generates snark. Exception might be a poster with a history of garbage threads, they might bring baggage. Anyway, the Giro seems a fine choice.:thumb:

Trakhak 03-03-23 06:10 PM


Originally Posted by terrymorse (Post 22817960)
That helmet reminds me of the old leather "skid lids", worn by some of us (​​​​​​yes, I admit to having had a short skid lid period).

https://cimg1.ibsrv.net/gimg/bikefor...951f8670f7.png

Lo and behold, it's still being sold. Probably doesn't pass the CPSC test.

When Bicycling! magazine commissioned a helmet comparison at a test lab, the lab techs initially refused to test the Skid Lid helmet (the open-at-the-top plastic one lined with sponge rubber). They eventually relented but only agreed to subject the Skid Lid using their standard drop test at half the height they used for the (then state-of-the-art) Bell Biker and MSR helmets.

They refused outright to test any leather strap-style helmets. "The head forms we use for testing are expensive!," they said.

79pmooney 03-03-23 06:43 PM


Originally Posted by Trakhak (Post 22818504)
When Bicycling! magazine commissioned a helmet comparison at a test lab, the lab techs initially refused to test the Skid Lid helmet (the open-at-the-top plastic one lined with sponge rubber). They eventually relented but only agreed to subject the Skid Lid using their standard drop test at half the height they used for the (then state-of-the-art) Bell Biker and MSR helmets.

They refused outright to test any leather strap-style helmets. "The head forms we use for testing are expensive!," they said.

I bought and crashed my Bell Biker 1977. The MSR was unobtanium. The Skid Lid was obviously no better than our varsity hockey helmets. (Up through JV, we had the usual hard plastic over Styrofoam 3-piece helmets. Not very good but a lot better than nothing. Varsity was a flexible shell over a web. I played it smart and stayed in the crease with my older helmet and wire cage. Goalie.)

Those Bells - not perfect. Too hard. I had no external damage but lots of evidence of acceleration trauma (CAT scan) and resulting cost to me. The MSR was very similar with regard to the foam and I doubt the different shell material would have made a lot of difference. I wouldn't writing this if I'd been wearing a Skid Lid. The word in the Boston racing peloton for the leather skid lids would apply to the brand name ones. That they were so we could have an open casket ceremony.

tiger1964 03-04-23 02:58 PM


Originally Posted by spelger (Post 22818050)
nice wheels. can't tell what it is...LBC?

Don't want to go too far OT, but I thought my user name gives it away. Sunbeam Tiger, built 11/25/64. If by "wheels" you mean the wheels, those are Revolutions, not seen on street-driven vehicles a lot.

lowrider2 04-05-23 09:04 AM

Excuse me, are there any hobbyists here besides cycling, fishing and camping? Are there any forums on such a topic.


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