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The Helmet Thread 2

Old 10-31-16, 02:16 PM
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There needs to be a statute of limitations between an accident and the time the survivor relates it to the forum unsolicited.
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OP - you really need to study up on what a concussion actually is.
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OP - you got lucky, and for that we are grateful. Had she plowed into you and run your head over doing 75mph you more than likely wouldn't be here, helmet or not.

I remember reading about a young woman who was run over by a cement mixer in Chicago just last month or two ago. They said she wasn't wearing a helmet. Because a helmet would have saved her life. Right?
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Right, and seat belts won't save you if you get crushed by a cement mixer, so there's no point in wearing them, right?
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Originally Posted by ItsJustMe
Right, and seat belts won't save you if you get crushed by a cement mixer, so there's no point in wearing them, right?
That isn't what I am saying at all. Depending on the incident that occurs, a "safety" mechanism may not play a role in the outcome. If you crash on a bicycle doing 5 mph and hit your head, the helmet may work. If you are broadsided by a semi doing 55 mph, the helmet is irrelevant. Just like if you are in a 10 mph fender bender in a car with a seat belt on vs hitting a bridge abutment at 112 mph.

Please notice that I am calling it an incident vs an accident. That was no accident when the drunk woman hit the OP.
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OP,

Posting about helmets here is futile. There are people here who are intent on convincing others that helmets do no good. It's sick and sad.

I'm glad you were wearing you helmet and I'm sure it protected you well.
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Originally Posted by blackhawknj
My number came up October 9 a year ago. Pedaling home about 1:30AM-I was hit by a drunk. Wrecked my 1965 Rudge-now THAT really angers me ! The police arrested the perpetrator-a woman-ASAP! DWI, texting while driving, driving erratically after an accident, etc. Impounded her vehicle. I woke up in the ambulance, one of the officers said I did everything right-generator light, flasher on the rack, leg light, reflective vest. They too me to the local trauma center, held for observation, released after 12 hours.
Someone asked if I suffered a concussion-swelling of the brain. Those who have known me for years say I have a swelled head, my mother often said my skull was one of the thickest and most impervious substances in the universe.
So I am out a bike, but am otherwise unharmed. No helmet-I wouldn't be here typing this. Anyone who says helmets are not for them-they can read this post.
Yes, Those that get bugs in their stomach from the thought of using a helmet, should steer clear of this thread. But I use my helmet all the time.
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Originally Posted by lostarchitect
OP,

Posting about helmets here is futile. There are people here who are intent on convincing others that helmets do no good. It's sick and sad.

I'm glad you were wearing you helmet and I'm sure it protected you well.
I don't quite see it that way. Overall the majority of cyclists in the country cycle under conditions where helmet use is of some benefit. Overall the majority of cyclists that post in A&S and Commuting, cycle under conditions where helmet use is of little to no benefit. This is evidenced by the fact that although by far the country with the most assiduous helmet culture in the developed world, the U.S. has the worst cyclist injury and fatality metrics in the developed world. It is not hyperbole to state that, in a bicycle accident in which a motor vehicle is involved, the presence or not, of a helmet, has only scant bearing on the outcome. In another thread a helmeted cyclist collided with a vehicle and survived. Somehow though I doubt she is writing any helmet testimonials. Survival is a continuum. The helmetless might be after a more black and white outcome.
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Has anyone ever figured out how to create a parimutuel pool for betting on when threads like this get locked or moved.

I'll put a beer down betting that it doesn't make past 20 posts. Anyone care to cover that?
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Well if we talk about the life of the thread, and do a few posts along that line, aren't we altering the thread outcome.... a'la Heisenberg
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Well if we talk about the life of the thread, and do a few posts along that line, aren't we altering the thread outcome.... a'la Heisenberg
There's no gambling without uncertainty.

Factor the unrelated and speculative posts when picking your slot.
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However, if I place a bet should I be prohibited from adding fuel to the fire to drive a thread to being locked or moved?
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Since in all likelihood, we're only betting paper beers, feel free to cheat, it's all part of the game. Of course excessive cheating might catch the awareness of the mods (or be reported by a crybaby) so it might be counter productive.

(only 4 to go, I'm about to concede, too bad nobody covered my bet).

BTW- consider this proof that we can have a non-abrasive helmet thread.
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Your on for a Paper Beer!

However in the interest of fair virtual gambling I will discount posts 14-17 as off topic and not affecting the disposition of the thread.
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Originally Posted by TenSpeedV2
That isn't what I am saying at all. Depending on the incident that occurs, a "safety" mechanism may not play a role in the outcome. If you crash on a bicycle doing 5 mph and hit your head, the helmet may work. If you are broadsided by a semi doing 55 mph, the helmet is irrelevant. Just like if you are in a 10 mph fender bender in a car with a seat belt on vs hitting a bridge abutment at 112 mph.

Please notice that I am calling it an incident vs an accident. That was no accident when the drunk woman hit the OP.
Sure, but what's the point in pointing that out? How is it different than someone feeling the need to point out that seat belts aren't a magic force field? Helmets aren't a magic force field either. Nobody believes that a helmet will safe you if you get crushed by a semi. But that's not a reason not to wear one.

I don't get the need some people feel to point out the non-magic status of helmets every time someone says that they feel a helmet saved them a grave injury or worse.
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Hmmm 19?
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Originally Posted by Leisesturm
... This is evidenced by the fact that although by far the country with the most assiduous helmet culture in the developed world, the U.S. has the worst cyclist injury and fatality metrics in the developed world. ....
Honestly I'm puzzled by this. Assiduous helmet culture? What does that mean? I live in a culture/country where there is a mandatory helmet law for all cyclists, and I reckon we're pretty well-developed at this point. I'm not sure how we're less assiduous.
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Oh yeah and we're past 20, sorry [MENTION=158672]FBinNY[/MENTION].
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Yep, it definitely is turning into a classic pro/anti helmet crapfest.

If it hadn't been for the short lived detour this might not have made it past 20, but the number doesn't matter (especially since I'm now out of it), it's only a matter of time before the mods move it.
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Paper beers are pretty light bodied, so here's another

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Originally Posted by Brian Sorrell
Honestly I'm puzzled by this. Assiduous helmet culture? What does that mean? I live in a culture/country where there is a mandatory helmet law for all cyclists, and I reckon we're pretty well-developed at this point. I'm not sure how we're less assiduous.
Good to know no cyclist in NZ die from head injury. NZ is often noted as a land with bad law.
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Good to know no cyclist in NZ die from head injury. NZ is often noted as a land with bad law.
No cyclists die from head injuries in NZ? That's news to me.

Who makes this note about bad law land? I'll be sure to tell everyone to start listening to these people for further guidance on goodness.

In other news, clearly you've imagined that I'm taking a position on helmet use. The fact is we have a law here. My query was about the use of the word "assiduous", which seemed odd to me. I wondered what that was supposed to mean.

Further news: there are many forces in NZ who would like to see the helmet law repealed. I am among them. There's lots more news and plenty of facts to banter about, but I fear (deeply) you've already written me and land-with-bad-law NZ off. *sigh* What a welcome return to the advocacy forum.
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