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Old 04-08-05, 10:48 PM
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Clean-air Vehicles

Well, there are many govt. programs that sponsor clean air vehicles, there are tax cuts for alternative fuel, etc. But what about bicycles? We are a 'vehicle', we do use alternative fuel (food), and we put out significantly less NOX and particulate matter than even the cleanest clean-air vehicles. Why no subsidies for bicycles, or even any sort of tax break or promotion?
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Old 04-08-05, 11:47 PM
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I'm sure some humans, put out in methane in levels, that exceed the legal limit for tailpipe exhaust in many states.
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Old 04-09-05, 01:39 AM
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Unfortunetly the only "alternative fuel" recognized by the US government and fit for human consumption is ethanol, and ironically you'd get arrested if you rode your bicycle while fueled by it.
If the government recognized straight vegetable oil (as opposed to biodiesel) as an alternative vehicle fuel, I'd drink it daily to get a tax break
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Originally Posted by the--guy
Unfortunetly the only "alternative fuel" recognized by the US government and fit for human consumption is ethanol, and ironically you'd get arrested if you rode your bicycle while fueled by it.
If the government recognized straight vegetable oil (as opposed to biodiesel) as an alternative vehicle fuel, I'd drink it daily to get a tax break
Technically, we can run on ethanol. They say at least 85% ethanol though, right? Hmm, could be difficult, but if we apply enough effort, anything is possible

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Old 04-09-05, 07:28 AM
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One thing that could be done is giving a tax break for employers to provide secure places to lock up bikes, and/or showers. I used to work at Mt. Sinai Hospital in T. and bike thefts were a huge problem. It discouraged people from cycling, and meant that people tended to ride bikes that they did not mind getting stolen.

If all the hospitals were willing to give up 3-5 parking spots just beside the attendant, they could provide much better security, and they could even charge for it. I'm sure they could figure out a way to avoid responsibility for lost vehicles (they aren't responsible for stolen cars).

If they really want to improve air quality, this could be one cheap way to do it. Funding for showers would be a good idea too.
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Old 04-09-05, 07:55 AM
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Isn't there something going to congress right now that would give employers a tax break for employees who bike commute?
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Old 04-09-05, 08:08 AM
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Search the forum for "tax credit new jersey" and "Congestion charge".
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Old 04-09-05, 08:10 AM
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Maryland is considering two bills that will benefit bicycle commuters.
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It would be nice to get tax cuts for riding a bike instead of a car. But it may be better to distance ourselves from the cars. California has been pushing alternate fuel and fuel efficient cars for some time. Now they seem to have realized they are making less on taxing fuel since less is used... https://www.latimes.com/news/local/la...=la-home-local

(This article is from this past November) Now they are proposing to track where people drive and "tax" by the mile. As a bicyclist I would hate to be lumped into this category as we do next to no damage to the roads comparitively.
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Old 04-09-05, 08:34 AM
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Using less only costs less for about a year, if everyone does it. Like with water and electricity, when the income goes down from conserving, the rates go back up so we're paying the same for using less.
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Originally Posted by Ganesha
I'm sure some humans, put out in methane in levels, that exceed the legal limit for tailpipe exhaust in many states.
Some humans, anyway. Typically, the main component in ass gas is plain old air, IIRC. I'm not sure if that's pre- or post-chamois filtered though.
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Old 04-09-05, 06:27 PM
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Old 04-09-05, 06:45 PM
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Because they just don't take bike commuters seriously. I spoke to an IRS agent about it and she just had no idea how seriously some people take bike riding. But she said currently, there aren't any laws, and she didn't know of any laws that were currently being created for bicyclists to take the tax deduction. I suppose some of it would be that it would be difficult to ascertain what someone did with their bike once they got it. I mean, how do you tell when someone rides it vs. puts it in their garage, then lies about it at tax time?

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Old 04-09-05, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by the--guy
Unfortunetly the only "alternative fuel" recognized by the US government and fit for human consumption is ethanol, and ironically you'd get arrested if you rode your bicycle while fueled by it.
If the government recognized straight vegetable oil (as opposed to biodiesel) as an alternative vehicle fuel, I'd drink it daily to get a tax break
Vegtable oil doesn't burn any cleaner then biodiesel or diesel fuel, it's just replenishable.
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Originally Posted by DieselDan
Vegtable oil doesn't burn any cleaner then biodiesel or diesel fuel, it's just replenishable.

No way, man. Have you ever seen a grease fire in a kitchen?

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Old 04-09-05, 07:21 PM
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The only kind of "green" car that should be produced and used is the pure battery/electric car.
No fuel cell, hydrogen, methanol, ethanol, biodiesel, natural gas or biogas should be used at all to power cars directly. That's pure madness.
I can elaborate if anyone's interested...
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Originally Posted by CdCf
The only kind of "green" car that should be produced and used is the pure battery/electric car.
No fuel cell, hydrogen, methanol, ethanol, biodiesel, natural gas or biogas should be used at all to power cars directly. That's pure madness.
I can elaborate if anyone's interested...

Cool.

Elaborate.

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I believe the Bicycle Commuter Act was reintroduced this year. here's a link: https://www.bikeleague.org/educenter/hr1265.htm
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Originally Posted by CdCf
I can elaborate if anyone's interested...
Comrade, elaboration is requested.
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Old 04-09-05, 08:51 PM
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Also remember tht when you ride your bike, you do not have to pay for gas. If you don't have a car, you also don't have to pay all the vehicle and licence fees. Is that not tax break enough?
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Also remember tht when you ride your bike, you do not have to pay for gas. If you don't have a car, you also don't have to pay all the vehicle and licence fees. Is that not tax break enough?
No. That's not a tax break. We don't deteriorate the roads with our bikes or cause pollution when we go from point A to point B. For that, we should be rewarded.

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Originally Posted by koffee brown
No. That's not a tax break. We don't deteriorate the roads with our bikes or cause pollution when we go from point A to point B. For that, we should be rewarded.

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There was a post in this forum about how much a cyclists pays in taxes every year just by buying the disposable bike related items. We do pay our fair share for the minute road wear we cause.
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Originally Posted by DieselDan
Vegtable oil doesn't burn any cleaner then biodiesel or diesel fuel, it's just replenishable.
Biodiesel does burn cleaner than petrodiesel and, in the case of reclaimed fryer oil-derived biodiesel, more efficiently also (much higher cetane rating).

I remember reading a study a year or two back showing the known and theoretical (in the case of future hydrogen cells) economy of different engine types and the most efficient type of vehicle -- "well-to-wheel" -- was a diesel electric hybrid. It requires the least amount of refining.

To get an electric vehicle charged simply wastes too much energy, albeit without the local pollution. All the inherent losses involved in separating, storing and recombining hydrogen make it the silliest idea yet. It's like using a particle accelerator to make gold.
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Originally Posted by spider-man
I believe the Bicycle Commuter Act was reintroduced this year. here's a link: https://www.bikeleague.org/educenter/hr1265.htm
I think this is a good start with the right approach. Having adequete cycle path or lanes will help people switch to bikes also, we need to feel safe.
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There was a post in this forum about how much a cyclists pays in taxes every year just by buying the disposable bike related items. We do pay our fair share for the minute road wear we cause.
I pay taxes. I pay taxes every day, just like you said, and I pay taxes on food, property, etc. C'mon, we should definitely be rewarded for preserving the environment. Folks who buy hybrid cars do, and we get nothing? That ain't right.

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