magohn

Hi All,
I have been holding onto this frame for years and today decided that I may want to part with it. Its a Raleigh USA frame (Pro?) and one that I have not seen a similar paint job for. Can anyone reference this EXACT frame? The frame is light and has Campagnolo drop-outs.
Here's the stinker, as its been in the garage for years I either never noticed or it happened over the years, there is a small puncture wound on the framing that goes under the seat (see pic) - does this kill the frame?







Thanks all...

cudak888 

Definitely worth saving; looks like an '88/89 Team Pro. Would be interesting to know what the serial is on this. Anything on the BB?

-Kurt

magohn

Under the crank housing the stamped # is: 8710680

Thanks for your input!

cudak888 

Interesting; never seen that serial system before; though I must confess to being unfamiliar with the Derby-era of Raleigh (and, of course, this frame doesn't fall under the US-made Kent serials of the Derby era). Far as I know, other than the Team Professional, these red/yellow Team replicas were the only other steel frames available in the lineup (the previous steel models having been converted to Techniums in 1987).

This isn't an SBDU frame, but a very nice piece at any rate. I'll put an educated guess that it's some sort of Team Pro replica. Given the serial system, either an '87 (if the system is supposed to read 8710680 for the year) or an '88 (if 8710680 stands for the year).

Not sure if anyone has the '87 U.S. catalog for Raleigh; latest I have is '86.

-Kurt

mkeller234

Does that just look like an issue with the brass around the seat stay caps? Maybe a frame builder could repair that?

cudak888 

The builder didn't let the brass penetrate the seatstay cap well at the bottom, but it should be fine around the perimeter of the cap. It isn't particularly load-bearing, and it's probably been like that since new, covered with paint.

I wouldn't damage the original paint just to have that filled with brass or silver. Sell it as-is (after all, there are buyers out there like me, who understand that this blemish isn't a structural nightmare), or stick some Bondo in the gap and touch it up.

-Kurt

mkeller234

Thats what I was thinking, that it was probably like this since it was new.

realestvin7

I think it's sick. It would be a keeper for me.

Pending fit I guess... Lol.

Picchio Special

My brother owned - and sold - that same frame. I want to say it was a Competition. I think one popped up here before, too.

Michael Angelo 

Kurt, that's it!! There's a guy in our neighborhood that has one, I've seen it. His is about a 58-60cm. Very nice frame too.

Bianchigirll 

nice looking frame, I love the bike stand! I never thought of putting carpet on mine to protect the bikes.

magohn

Thanks for all the input. I am going to sell it on the "For Sale" forum as I dont have the $ to rebuild it and the wife wants some of my treasures outta here. Sounds like the frame issue is not that big of a deal too -

Any idea of a fair price to add with taking into consideration the slight damage.

I do tend to collect so I have to control myself

Thank you all so much!

Picchio Special

It's definitely not a Team Pro. Serial numbering is wrong, as are the frame details (domed dropout stay junction would never have been used on a Team Pro, for starters).

dbakl

I think that's a not uncommon Raleigh trait!

I have a similar one in Red/maroon/yellow from about '84. Always thought it was a nice riding bike.

magohn

Thanks guys - I listed the frame in the "For Sale" forum with a few new pics...

https://www.bikeforums.net/showthread...Outs-1988-1989

Picchio Special

My hunch is that it's a high-mid level frame (but not Pro level) circa 1987 - maybe a Grand Prix in Team colors. My sense is that a top-level frame would have a bit nicer dropout treatment and a front deraileur braze-on.

I believe that SN scheme has been accounted for here on BF previously.

Pic of Pete Pensyrs winning the '86 RAAM on a bike with the same paint scheme:

https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=...EoS-tge1_K2ICQ

magohn

Thanks! That's the first pic I have seen with the same color scheme!

JohnDThompson 

That's what it looks like to me. It's not a structural issue in any case. Getting it re-brazed would necessitate a repaint, and the rest of the paint doesn't look to be in bad shape.

I think I'd just brush off any loose rust, use a little OA or vinegar to dissolve any that remains, and then seal it up with nail polish or linseed oil or something to prevent rust from returning.

cudak888 

I doubt it. By 1987, the road lineup had been converted to the Technium range - Competition, Super Course, and Grand Prix. Not even in '83-86 did they bestow any of these three (or the top "Prestige") with Campagnolo dropouts or nicely-finished sloping crown forks.

That's why I suspect a Team Pro replica; given the colors. Note the replica 531 frame available in 1986:



On the contrary; it is much more common on Schwinn Paramounts.


Red, maroon and yellow? That fits the description of a 1986 Prestige. Could you post a photo?

-Kurt

dbakl

Red frame with maroon stays and headtube, yellow decals. 531c frame with anniversary design decal (I think). Raleigh USA on toptube but made in England decal on seattube. Campagnolo dropouts, sloping crown fork, no chrome. Its in my storage 25 miles away... I'll get a photo next time I'm down there.

I was told they were team frames, from the guy selling it who had 6 or 8, used... I just picked the one in my size.

Actually, looks just like the 753 one you posted, but black is maroon and decals are yellow. No number hanger though.

cudak888 

1986 Raleigh Prestige. No question about it.

I have an archive photo of one here; I'll dig it out.

-Kurt

dbakl

OK. Still a nice riding bike. Yes, you seem to be right:

https://www.jaysmarine.com/1986raleighcat_usa_03_lg.jpg

I got mine as a frame, so I built it all NR, except headset because fork cut for Shimano.

cudak888 

Whoops - forgot I had the catalog for it too. A very nice machine indeed; pretty much a 531 Team Replica with a different paint job. The 1986 Prestige was produced in England; 1985/4 versions were essentially black/chrome, Japanese-made Competitions.

-Kurt

dbakl

It was my main bike for 3-4 years: I had retired my '84 Cinelli because it was one of the few new bikes I ever had in my life, but eventually said what the heck. I should pull that Raleigh out again...

josh.d

I know this thread is old but I just picked up one of these frames today.