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Old 06-08-15, 10:24 AM
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vintage Shogun Road bike restoration

My father has this old road bike. Its a Shogun Cro-Mo 400 and he has not ridden it in years. Does anyone think this is worth making into a light touring bike for weekend camping or am I wasting time and money. I know it has Shimano Atlas components? and it seems to shift and brake fine but would be better with some TLC and maybe a overhaul. I do not have any knowledge about this bike other then what you see in the pictures. here are some pics. If anyone could enlighten me with some knowledge about this bike, I would be very thankful. Happy cycling!
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Old 06-08-15, 10:48 AM
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looks like a mid level 80's ten-speed type of bike.

i've got a couple of similar bikes, here's what i did.

stripped off all parts, then had the frame and fork professionally powder coated. i then searched ebay and some other websites for new, or 'new to me' parts. built up wheels from parts and ended with a decent bike for touring or recreational use.

it's not economical by any means though. you have to enjoy the experience to make it worthwhile, i think.

i did it with a '79 trek 710, an '85 trek Elance, and an '88 Stumpjumper. i'll keep them until i die, then i expect them to have a long life in a land-fill somewhere nearby.

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Old 06-08-15, 10:51 AM
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It's a lower end bike shop quality bike, probably 1980-ish (plus or minus).
Looks in decent shape. Get some good quality brake pads, lube the chain. Check the tires for cuts etc ...
Brake & shifter cables might be fine. Replace if rusty, kinked, frayed.

Then go ride it.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
It's a lower end bike shop quality bike, probably 1980-ish (plus or minus).
Looks in decent shape. Get some good quality brake pads, lube the chain. Check the tires for cuts etc ...
Brake & shifter cables might be fine. Replace if rusty, kinked, frayed.

Then go ride it.
Thanks for the info! I appreciate the fast response. here are some other pictures.

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Originally Posted by hueyhoolihan View Post
looks like a mid level 80's ten-speed type of bike.

i've got a couple of similar bikes, here's what i did.

stripped off all parts, then had the frame and fork professionally powder coated. i then searched ebay and some other websites for new, or 'new to me' parts. built up wheels from parts and ended with a decent bike for touring or recreational use.

it's not economical by any means though. you have to enjoy the experience to make it worthwhile, i think.

i did it with a '79 trek 710, an '85 trek Elance, and an '88 Stumpjumper. i'll keep them until i die, then i expect them to have a long life in a land-fill somewhere nearby.

Thanks for the info! and yes i would like to do the work. I just didn't know if i was going into something that I would be searching for ever trying to find parts for or anything. You are just saying that the bike itself is not really worth the time and money just as it stands. I get that and I did think about that. I have a 2004 schwinn fastback road bike that is aluminum with a carbon fork and I was told that to do any type of touring with this bike would be useless.
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Old 06-08-15, 11:18 AM
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Originally Posted by AndrewRaq86 View Post
. I have a 2004 schwinn fastback road bike that is aluminum with a carbon fork and I was told that to do any type of touring with this bike would be useless.
Depends on your definition of "touring". Going across country with loaded panniers ? Weekend jaunts with a backpack and large saddlebag ?

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Thanks for the info! and yes i would like to do the work. I just didn't know if i was going into something that I would be searching for ever trying to find parts for or anything. You are just saying that the bike itself is not really worth the time and money just as it stands. I get that and I did think about that.
Parts are readily available. It's not worth doing a complete overhaul and restoration involving hundreds of hours of labor.
But it's worth giving it a tune-up and riding it, but you might not want to ride it much if you're spoiled by the way your Schwinn rides.
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Old 06-08-15, 11:40 AM
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I found the same model shogun at the dump a few years ago and ride it around on errands. I changed out a number of parts that I took off other dump bikes, e.g. a triple crank, bar end shifters and the stem and handlebar, fenders and racks. It could be an adequate touring bike even though it is "low end", but as to the question whether it is worth putting money into it, I don't know, as the only money I've put into it was for new tires and tubes.

One interesting thing about the Shogun I have is that it had a six speed 120mm spaced rear cassette hub, something I didn't know existed.

You could probably find more about the bike on the C&V forum.
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As others have noted it is a mid/low end bike. That said, PG Cro-Mo tubes are solid, and it would make a fine touring bike. The headset badge is great !! Do you have the original handle bars?

What is your budget? I am going to assume that you will do all the labor, and source parts from Amazon or Niagara. How much do you and your touring gear weigh? Where are you planning on touring?
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Old 06-08-15, 02:19 PM
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This one also has a six speed cassette. I am not sure about the spacing measurement tho.
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Old 06-08-15, 02:22 PM
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Originally Posted by nfmisso View Post
As others have noted it is a mid/low end bike. That said, PG Cro-Mo tubes are solid, and it would make a fine touring bike. The headset badge is great !! Do you have the original handle bars?

What is your budget? I am going to assume that you will do all the labor, and source parts from Amazon or Niagara. How much do you and your touring gear weigh? Where are you planning on touring?
I couldn't find the original handle bars so I am assuming they are long gone. I wanted to try just a few day camping tour since I am new to bike touring. I didn't want to put much into the shogun but I would consider a hundred bucks or so to get it rolling good.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
Depends on your definition of "touring". Going across country with loaded panniers ? Weekend jaunts with a backpack and large saddlebag ?


Parts are readily available. It's not worth doing a complete overhaul and restoration involving hundreds of hours of labor.
But it's worth giving it a tune-up and riding it, but you might not want to ride it much if you're spoiled by the way your Schwinn rides.
I would just do weekend rides to start with since I am new to touring by bike. Light camping and the like.
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Originally Posted by ironwood View Post
One interesting thing about the Shogun I have is that it had a six speed 120mm spaced rear cassette hub, something I didn't know existed.
Did it really have a 6-speed cassette in that 120 mm spacing or was it a 6-speed Ultra freewheel? Sun Tour made 6-speed closely spaced freewheels they called "Ultra 6" that were the same width as a 5-speed freewheel and gave 6 cogs with a 120 mm hub. It was not a cassette but a freewheel.
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I never thought I would say this but with the bolt-on rear derailleur hanger and second chain-ring this would be an easy SS conversion...
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I never thought I would say this but with the bolt-on rear derailleur hanger and second chain-ring this would be an easy SS conversion...
I was contemplating that avenue as well just bc it would be a fun little cruiser bike. I am not really into the ss or fixie trend but I can see how that would be a fun conversion and ride. Simple and cheap as well.
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I was contemplating that avenue as well just bc it would be a fun little cruiser bike. I am not really into the ss or fixie trend but I can see how that would be a fun conversion and ride. Simple and cheap as well.
Exactly, and if you don't like it you can always just put the shifting stuff back on...
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I was contemplating that avenue as well just bc it would be a fun little cruiser bike. I am not really into the ss or fixie trend but I can see how that would be a fun conversion and ride. Simple and cheap as well.
in my previous post, i mentioned three bikes that i've refurbished. they have all been set up as single-speeds. i've had occasion to throw on a cassette or freewheel (as the case may be), lengthen the chain, and attach a friction activated rear derailleur to give them a few more gears. it takes about and hour or so.

once set up as single speed it's pretty simple to go back and forth from geared to single-speed bike, IME, as long as indexed shifting is NOT involved.

and i never use a front derailleur.
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I couldn't find the original handle bars so I am assuming they are long gone. I wanted to try just a few day camping tour since I am new to bike touring. I didn't want to put much into the shogun but I would consider a hundred bucks or so to get it rolling good.
rear rack; panniers; front bag will absorb $100- easily......

You are also probably going want a pump, new tires, new cables and housings, brake pads, wheel truing and tensioning (which might lead to new wheels, if the spoke nipples are locked up).....

Later if you decide you are serious about touring, you can upgrade, basically keeping only the frame and forks - which are comparable to a $100- Nashbar cro-mo touring frame; or start over. With that head badge, I'd be inclined to make a serious project of it. I would not re-paint it.
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To upgrade things on the drive train is going to be a PITA with 120mm hub spacing and 6 speed. I'd be hunting down a similar era Shogun Mountain Bike to convert to a touring bike. They did a couple of models that came with rack mounts, cantilever brakes and reasonable Araya rims. Likely you could pick one up on a road side collection day, from a tip shop or off the net for $50. They also came with triple chain rings, 7 speed SIS derailleur, 135mm rear hub spacing (with cassette) and light-ish Co-Mo frames with long rear stays. Whack on some new road oriented tyres, some racks and bar ends and then just upgrade as you get funds. I just did one for my partner and it came up a treat...
In the meantime find some old drop bars for the one you have and see if you can sell it to a hipster as a retro bike. (mustache bars anyone?)
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To upgrade things on the drive train is going to be a PITA with 120mm hub spacing and 6 speed. I'd be hunting down a similar era Shogun Mountain Bike to convert to a touring bike. They did a couple of models that came with rack mounts, cantilever brakes and reasonable Araya rims. Likely you could pick one up on a road side collection day, from a tip shop or off the net for $50. They also came with triple chain rings, 7 speed SIS derailleur, 135mm rear hub spacing (with cassette) and light-ish Co-Mo frames with long rear stays. Whack on some new road oriented tyres, some racks and bar ends and then just upgrade as you get funds. I just did one for my partner and it came up a treat...
In the meantime find some old drop bars for the one you have and see if you can sell it to a hipster as a retro bike. (mustache bars anyone?)
I like that idea as well!
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"Low-end" is a relative term. Compared to Huffy, Murray, or Free Spirit bikes, the Shogun is worlds better. The frame is good quality steel, with decent geometry. Here in Japan you could get $200 to $300 for a Shogun in similar condition to yours.
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Did it really have a 6-speed cassette in that 120 mm spacing or was it a 6-speed Ultra freewheel? Sun Tour made 6-speed closely spaced freewheels they called "Ultra 6" that were the same width as a 5-speed freewheel and gave 6 cogs with a 120 mm hub. It was not a cassette but a freewheel.
The hub is an early model Shimano freehub. It is not a freewheel hub.
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If you decide to keep it I would replace cables and brake pads and regrease every bearing on it including headset, wheels, and BB
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