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Campagnolo cables - is there any reason this would not work?

Old 07-06-15, 02:07 PM
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Campagnolo cables - is there any reason this would not work?

Need to overhaul my daily rider, new cables/housings/chain. Its 2007 Campagnolo Veloce, I can't find the original cable set but this:

Campagnolo Ultra-Shift Ergo Lever Cable Set - (CG-ER600) | TotalCycling.com

Is in stock (and the only thing in stock) for Campagnolo all over the place. Anything that would prevent this set from working properly (according to the description its for 2009 forward)?
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Old 07-06-15, 02:33 PM
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Should be fine. The issue is the derailleur cable heads -- Shimano ends are wider diameter and if used, can jam in Campy shifters, requiring way too much effort to remove.
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The only issue that I can recall is the housing used on the newer campy stuff may be a smaller diameter than the older stuff. You may need a ferule where the housing enters the ergo shifter body.

You can buy housing separately in the diameter needed and then buy cables separately as well....the only thing to look out for is that the cable ends are campy compatible, as the other poster mentioned, the cable end where it inserts into the shifter mechanism is slightly smaller for campagnolo and a shimano/sram sized cable end can become hopelessly jammed in the shifter mechanism if used.

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Thanks for the replies. In reality while they are old-ish (built the bike in 2010) my housings are in great shape, I almost feel maybe just replacing the cables should be fine so maybe the housing diameter isn't an issue. I'm a fairly light rider and I don't hammer on this stuff too hard at all.
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Did Jagwire stop making double ended cables? I'm still getting cables that are for Shimano/SRAM and Campagnolo but they aren't listed on their website.
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I always replace the housings with the inner wires and would recommend it especially if you are installing different size/type inners than the ones that you are replacing. The inners wear into the housings (this is the primary reason for cable "stretch")and new/different wires may not work well with the existing wear grooves. This is especially a factor with shift cables. The housings come with the kit, better to use them than shelve/dump them IMO.
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Originally Posted by dsbrantjr View Post
I always replace the housings with the inner wires and would recommend it especially if you are installing different size/type inners than the ones that you are replacing. The inners wear into the housings (this is the primary reason for cable "stretch")and new/different wires may not work well with the existing wear grooves. This is especially a factor with shift cables. The housings come with the kit, better to use them than shelve/dump them IMO.
Thanks for the tip, sounds like I might as well do it. Makes me sad to remove my sweetest bar tape job of all time though lol.
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Current cable sets are compatible with legacy levers, no problem.
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1 more question, the cranks are ultra torque which has that single bolt deep in the middle holding them together. Is that bolt a 1 time use that I should replace if I decide to remove the cranks (say for cleaning)?
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1 more question, the cranks are ultra torque which has that single bolt deep in the middle holding them together. Is that bolt a 1 time use that I should replace if I decide to remove the cranks (say for cleaning)?
Good question. My recommendation is to start a new thread and re-ask this question....that way the topic will be more searchable for folks looking for similar info in the future.

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Originally Posted by Rogue Leader View Post
Thanks for the replies. In reality while they are old-ish (built the bike in 2010) my housings are in great shape, I almost feel maybe just replacing the cables should be fine so maybe the housing diameter isn't an issue. I'm a fairly light rider and I don't hammer on this stuff too hard at all.
You can probably get away with replacing the rear shift cable. Its lifetime is dependent on your shifters (the latest Campagnolo and Shimano levers have a tight 90 degree bend inside the shifter that causes cables to fail sooner due to fatigue) and how much you use them - I used to get 4000-4500 miles until shifting to smaller cogs got sluggish with pointy hood ergo levers having the bend in the housing, but am down to 2500 miles with Ultrashift levers.

Shift cables fail due to fatigue bending back and forth as they wind onto the drum. Brake cables don't have that problem because they have a straight pull from the lever with a pivoting attachment point.

My old unlined shift housings lasted for many years until the plastic flaked off and rear loop gunked up, although with lined housing I'm down to 4000 miles in the rear derailleur cable beneath the handle bars because it gets sticky. Brake housing is usually unlined.

I'm somewhat opportunistic about replacements when they're not needed - I used to replace the front (which I run on the right) brake cable when I removed my ergo lever for rebuilding, and swap the rear shift cable when the housing goes so it's 2500 miles to the next service not 1000.

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Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt View Post
You can probably get away with replacing the rear shift cable. Its lifetime is dependent on your shifters (the latest Campagnolo and Shimano levers have a tight 90 degree bend inside the shifter that causes cables to fail sooner due to fatigue) and how much you use them - I used to get 4000-4500 miles until shifting to smaller cogs got sluggish with pointy hood ergo levers having the bend in the housing, but am down to 2500 miles with Ultrashift levers.

Shift cables fail due to fatigue bending back and forth as they wind onto the drum. Brake cables don't have that problem because they have a straight pull from the lever with a pivoting attachment point.

My old unlined shift housings lasted for many years until the plastic flaked off and rear loop gunked up, although with lined housing I'm down to 4000 miles in the rear derailleur cable beneath the handle bars because it gets sticky. Brake housing is usually unlined.

I'm somewhat opportunistic about replacements when they're not needed - I used to replace the front (which I run on the right) brake cable when I removed my ergo lever for rebuilding, and swap the rear shift cable when the housing goes so it's 2500 miles to the next service not 1000.
So something like this for the rear: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...-shimano-campy

I mean everything on the bike seems to be well. I need a new chain as it has stretched, but brakes etc all work great. It probably has about 3000 on it over the past 5 years. I still have the box for the groupset and they recommended changing the whole cable set after 2 years and 2500 miles. Its a 2007 Veloce set.
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So something like this for the rear: https://www.biketiresdirect.com/prod...-shimano-campy
Sure, although I never came up with a good reason to use anything other than genuine Campagnolo inners; and at 1.2mm versus 1.1mm they should give you a little more time before complete failure if you ignore the sluggish shifts to smaller cogs for too long.

1.2mm x 2000mm Campagnolo shift cable, $3.91 at Ribble

I mean everything on the bike seems to be well. I need a new chain as it has stretched, but brakes etc all work great. It probably has about 3000 on it over the past 5 years. I still have the box for the groupset and they recommended changing the whole cable set after 2 years and 2500 miles. Its a 2007 Veloce set.
The English Ultrashift manuals say 2 years, 20,000km, or 12,000 miles.
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Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt View Post
Sure, although I never came up with a good reason to use anything other than genuine Campagnolo inners; and at 1.2mm versus 1.1mm they should give you a little more time before complete failure if you ignore the sluggish shifts to smaller cogs for too long.

1.2mm x 2000mm Campagnolo shift cable, $3.91 at Ribble



The English Ultrashift manuals say 2 years, 20,000km, or 12,000 miles.

Ahh good deal thanks, I would prefer to use real Campy, but when I searched I only found full sets.

I must have mis-remembered on the mileage, either way I'm far beyond on the years, but all seems to work "fine". Should I be concerned, or just clean it up and go?
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Ahh good deal thanks, I would prefer to use real Campy, but when I searched I only found full sets.

I must have mis-remembered on the mileage, either way I'm far beyond on the years, but all seems to work "fine". Should I be concerned, or just clean it up and go?
I'll stop short of recommending anything due to liability concerns, although I'd leave everything alone and pay attention to sluggish shifts to smaller cogs which can be caused by frayed cables; worn lined housings; a dirty or kinked rear loop; or a bent hanger which can put your derailleur into the spokes.

Any time you need to reduce cable tension for acceptable shifts to a smaller cog shift to the smallest cog, take the rear housing out of its stop on the frame, and push the cable end out of the shifter so you can see frayed strands and feel for housing problems.

Keep extra cables and housing on hand for when that happens, or you're doing other maintenance near an observed lifetime and want to save yourself the trouble of re-taping the bars in the near future.
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Originally Posted by Drew Eckhardt View Post
I'll stop short of recommending anything due to liability concerns, although I'd leave everything alone and pay attention to sluggish shifts to smaller cogs which can be caused by frayed cables; worn lined housings; a dirty or kinked rear loop; or a bent hanger which can put your derailleur into the spokes.

Any time you need to reduce cable tension for acceptable shifts to a smaller cog shift to the smallest cog, take the rear housing out of its stop on the frame, and push the cable end out of the shifter so you can see frayed strands and feel for housing problems.

Keep extra cables and housing on hand for when that happens, or you're doing other maintenance near an observed lifetime and want to save yourself the trouble of re-taping the bars in the near future.
Ok thanks for the tips. I'm going to clean it up, test and take stock of everything, change the chain (confirmed worn), and then make decisions based on that. Thanks again
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