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Old 08-28-15, 07:46 AM
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
Looking in from the outside, as someone interested in trying it, it seems like you'd be hard pressed to get a better deal than just buying whole machine built wheels and loosening them to do them back up by hand, or add DB spokes. Am I wrong? Or is it just that you can't find more premium wheels, with Phil-King-Paul-White hubs etc, that aren't built already?

Just as an example this set is $120 even before Nashbar's frequent sales Sun Ringlé Rhyno Lite / Shimano Deore 525 Mountain Wheelset

$35 for the rear hub, $25 for the front, $27+27 for the rims at Niagara adds up to $112 and you still need spokes and rim tape.

Or as another example, VO sells a wheel set for $350, and the hubs are $140+60 and the rims are $65+65 so that's $320.
You are correct -- if you can find wheels with the spec you want, it is very often cheaper to buy built wheels than to buy components... and then add in build time on top of it all.

As a for instance: I built a rear wheel for my commuter and eventually wore through a rim sidewall. Velocity was going to cover the rim under warranty, and I thought to ask about a complete rear wheel. They quoted me an EP price, less a credit for the rim, and it was a no-brainer to get their built wheel with a new Velocity hub, rather than build it up myself. Bonus is that it's not a machine built wheel -- they have actual people building their wheels. Whenever a built wheel comes into the shop, we check it out, and on a lot of the cheaper wheels, we usually end up putting time into truing and tensioning, but the Velocity wheel was true and tensioned correctly right out of the box.

Once you get into replacing spokes, some of the benefit disappears, but if you're still getting components cheaper in a built wheel than buying separate components, probably still a deal.
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Originally Posted by nymtber View Post
And they don't do ONLINE ordering. Which was why I went with ThorUSA.
They want you to call the 800 number because they ask questions to ensure proper lengths.
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Harris cyclery is a good source for 26" rims (non-disc). I've built 6 wheels w/the Sun CR-18 rim. It's cheap and seems durable (over 6K miles on each wheel so far). Most of the other sources are for road-sized rims or disc brake rims, it seems.

I still bother to build wheels because my hubs are Deore XTs from the 80's-early 90's. They won't quit and have the old look I prefer.

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Old 08-28-15, 02:16 PM
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Originally Posted by Darth Lefty View Post
Looking in from the outside, as someone interested in trying it, it seems like you'd be hard pressed to get a better deal than just buying whole machine built wheels and loosening them to do them back up by hand, or add DB spokes. Am I wrong? Or is it just that you can't find more premium wheels, with Phil-King-Paul-White hubs etc, that aren't built already?

Just as an example this set is $120 even before Nashbar's frequent sales Sun Ringlé Rhyno Lite / Shimano Deore 525 Mountain Wheelset

$35 for the rear hub, $25 for the front, $27+27 for the rims at Niagara adds up to $112 and you still need spokes and rim tape.

Or as another example, VO sells a wheel set for $350, and the hubs are $140+60 and the rims are $65+65 so that's $320.
I've done that a few times. Performance occasionally has Shimano hubbed Open Pro and the like front wheels for ~$100 or less in their stores. I figure hub plus rim cost more than that and Shimano hubs are keepers. (They have rears too but I run Campy standard rear. Several of my rears have been used wheels I have relaced or rebuilt.) Those Performance wheels are ride-able from day one. When I have time, I relace with my preferred pattern and much light spokes. Now I have a sweet wheel.

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Old 08-29-15, 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by SquidPuppet View Post
They want you to call the 800 number because they ask questions to ensure proper lengths.
And I want easy drop down menu ONLINE ordering. I can use spocalc, and I can measure far more accurately than we need to measure to get the proper numbers.
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Originally Posted by on the path View Post
For this thread I'm mainly interested in road bike wheels. Where do you source rims, hubs, spokes, etc?. As far as rims, are there certain brands, model lines within brands, styles of rims, that are typically better to start with than others? What I mean by that is rims that are fairly straight and true to begin with before you even start tensioning spokes.

I'm seriously considering building my own wheelset. I'd like to start with decent enough rims, hubs, and spokes. Hopefully this will help in the building process and make the results better than if I started with inferior rims. Any help at all would be appreciated.
You said nothing about your weight, riding style.. how the projected wheel will be used. Like shoes... good wheels fit the RIDER.

Are you budget conscious... the main stream in the bike world is more about an emotional choice after reading all the net site propaganda. Wide rims are 'in'... ride so much nicer . One reads later how some of this flavor show a preference for nipple washers for reinforcement... pure baloney.

Short notes... new rims are laser straight. One can find excellent used rims.. most bikes live idle... no wear/strains for the rims. 'High end' costs usually are just the middle man getting a nice hunk.. nothing wrong with that. Hence those items get the most air play.. often undeservedly. I avoid 'wind up' spokes.. any internet spoke wrangle covers them... that brand paid for a book which is noob nonsense. Marketing.. smart.

Nothing wrong with the older quality single wall rims... yes doubles are easier to build. Higher air pressures narrower rubber mean more rim strains. Tires.. affect wheel performance a good deal.
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Originally Posted by nymtber View Post
And I want easy drop down menu ONLINE ordering. I can use spocalc, and I can measure far more accurately than we need to measure to get the proper numbers.
I have no problems interacting with another human over the phone in order to benefit from the significant savings. They are so efficient the phone ordering process is actually faster than using an online order form, and they email you a confirmation, receipt, and tracking number. If you enjoy paying extra money for the privilege of filling out a bunch of boxes, I have no problem with that.
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+1 for dans comp. Pleasant, too.
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