Bottom Bracket Selection
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Bottom Bracket Selection
In rebuilding my 1993 Rockhopper's drive train, I have narrowed down the BB selection: the Shimano UN55 and the IRD QB55 or QB75 or QB95. Helpful comments would be welcome.
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My thoughts, in no particular order:
First off, that QB95 looks too pretty to hide inside a frame.
I'm using the 103mm QB55 in my fixed-gear and it has been doing the job for a couple thousand miles with no issues. Of course, I can say the same about any cartridge-bearing BB I've used to date.
The main benefit to the QB75 seems to be the aluminum cups, which drop the weight by a few grams (my 115mm and 118mm UN55s weigh something like 285-300g vs the 240g of the QB75) -- whether that's worth the extra $20 is up to you. I'm seeing a spec'd weight of 255g for the QB55, FWIW.
(Hmm, I could be saving ~50 grams at a rate of about a dollar each on my bikes...)
First off, that QB95 looks too pretty to hide inside a frame.
I'm using the 103mm QB55 in my fixed-gear and it has been doing the job for a couple thousand miles with no issues. Of course, I can say the same about any cartridge-bearing BB I've used to date.
The main benefit to the QB75 seems to be the aluminum cups, which drop the weight by a few grams (my 115mm and 118mm UN55s weigh something like 285-300g vs the 240g of the QB75) -- whether that's worth the extra $20 is up to you. I'm seeing a spec'd weight of 255g for the QB55, FWIW.
(Hmm, I could be saving ~50 grams at a rate of about a dollar each on my bikes...)
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Shimano UN55's are known for lasting many 10's thousands of miles in all kinds of riding conditions. I have yet to kill one. I also have a QB55 in one of my bikes and it runs fine too, no problems whatsoever, although I haven't run it for many (10's of) thousands of miles yet to be sure.
The 10 year warranty on the QB95 is neat, although you could buy 4 UN55's for that price.
The 10 year warranty on the QB95 is neat, although you could buy 4 UN55's for that price.
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FYI the Shimano UN55s are asymmetrical. The NDS taper protrudes 2 ~ 3mms farther out than the DS. I don't know why they are built this way, but they are. This may or may not have adverse effects for your application.
I actually benefited from it. I have two goofy old single speed bikes with off centered BB shells and the UN55s allowed me to achieve a perfect chainline and a balanced Q factor.
I actually benefited from it. I have two goofy old single speed bikes with off centered BB shells and the UN55s allowed me to achieve a perfect chainline and a balanced Q factor.
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FYI the Shimano UN55s are asymmetrical. The left taper protrudes 2 ~ 3mms farther out than the right. I don't know why they are built this way, but they are. This may or may not have adverse effects for your application.
I actually benefited from it. I have two goofy old single speed bikes with off centered BB shells and the UN55s allowed me to achieve a perfect chainline and a balanced Q factor.
I actually benefited from it. I have two goofy old single speed bikes with off centered BB shells and the UN55s allowed me to achieve a perfect chainline and a balanced Q factor.
Harris Cyclery measured the length from the BB shell to the end of the drive-side spindles on all of the Shimano BBs, plus the Tange 103mm unit. I did a little more math to figure out the remaining NDS length and determine whether they were within 1mm of being symmetrical, and saved the results in a table on my computer.
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Bottom Bracket/Spec Actual NDS DS Symmetrical? Sugino/Tange 68-103 103mm 17mm 18mm Y (+1mm on DS) Shimano UN54 68-107 108 20 20 Y Shimano UN54 68-110 111.5 23.5 20 N (+3.5mm on NDS) Shimano UN54 68-113 114 23.5 22.5 Y (+1mm on NDS) Shimano UN54 68-115 115.5 24 23.5 Y (+0.5mm on NDS) Shimano UN54 68-118 118.5 25.5 25 Y (+0.5mm on NDS) Shimano UN54 68-122 123 27 28 Y (+1mm on DS) Shimano UN54 68-127 128 30 30 Y
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.................The main benefit to the QB75 seems to be the aluminum cups, which drop the weight by a few grams (my 115mm and 118mm UN55s weigh something like 285-300g vs the 240g of the QB75) -- whether that's worth the extra $20 is up to you. I'm seeing a spec'd weight of 255g for the QB55, FWIW..............
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To me both brands of BBs appear to be of good quality based on the replies so far.
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Not all of them!
Harris Cyclery measured the length from the BB shell to the end of the drive-side spindles on all of the Shimano BBs, plus the Tange 103mm unit. I did a little more math to figure out the remaining NDS length and determine whether they were within 1mm of being symmetrical, and saved the results in a table on my computer.
I'm guessing you were using the 110mm units, which are recommended for some cranks. So goofy, though...
Harris Cyclery measured the length from the BB shell to the end of the drive-side spindles on all of the Shimano BBs, plus the Tange 103mm unit. I did a little more math to figure out the remaining NDS length and determine whether they were within 1mm of being symmetrical, and saved the results in a table on my computer.
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Bottom Bracket/Spec Actual NDS DS Symmetrical? Sugino/Tange 68-103 103mm 17mm 18mm Y (+1mm on DS) Shimano UN54 68-107 108 20 20 Y Shimano UN54 68-110 111.5 23.5 20 N (+3.5mm on NDS) Shimano UN54 68-113 114 23.5 22.5 Y (+1mm on NDS) Shimano UN54 68-115 115.5 24 23.5 Y (+0.5mm on NDS) Shimano UN54 68-118 118.5 25.5 25 Y (+0.5mm on NDS) Shimano UN54 68-122 123 27 28 Y (+1mm on DS) Shimano UN54 68-127 128 30 30 Y
Yes I am using the 110. Man that is really wonky. Ranging from balanced to + DS to + NDS, anywhere from inconsequential to a significant amount. Koo koo.
Could it be QC or were your findings consistent with a number of units?
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I didn't know that and thanks for providing the OP with clarity.
Yes I am using the 110. Man that is really wonky. Ranging from balanced to + DS to + NDS, anywhere from inconsequential to a significant amount. Koo koo.
Could it be QC or were your findings consistent with a number of units?
Yes I am using the 110. Man that is really wonky. Ranging from balanced to + DS to + NDS, anywhere from inconsequential to a significant amount. Koo koo.
Could it be QC or were your findings consistent with a number of units?
The 110 always makes me scratch my head -- I wonder if there was a crank way back when that needed a spindle like this and it became its own standard. Usually, older cranks needed the extra length on the other side, though!
I use the symmetrical ones on my bike: 103mm, 107mm, and a 118 is going with a crank swap I'm about to do.
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IRD much better quality, hands down.
I have several of each, and I will never purchase another Shimano BB. They sit in the toolbox while the IRDs are mounted on the bikes.
I have several of each, and I will never purchase another Shimano BB. They sit in the toolbox while the IRDs are mounted on the bikes.
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The one bike I recently built up with a different brand crank called for a 110mm BB. I bought the Shimano this time around and when I got home and opened the box I was like, "What the hell is this? It's obvious to the naked eye that this is way off center. I call foul. This will ruin my chainline and my chain ring and arms may hit the stays. This is BS. Um, er, uh, wait a second, hey, I have this reversed in my head, this is actually going to correct my off center issue."
Straight drive train = Happy face.
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This thread caused me to investigate my options while I have a bike torn apart and now a Tange LN-7922 (hollow spindle, aluminum cups) is on the way. I already had a UN55 in the right length, but...
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UN55's are hard to beat. I'm currently rebuilding my 25-y/o MTB commuter and had planned on replacing the BB, but when I took everything apart, I found the old UN55 spun just as well as the new one I bought. I went ahead and put the old one back on.
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I bought a new UN55 off wiggle.com for less than $20 last month. It cam with Al cups and hasn't creaked once since I installed it. It certainly seems the business for the money.