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Old 11-01-15, 07:48 AM
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Campagnolo 10 speed, compatability?

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Are all Campagnolo 10 speed groupi (yes, that's correct plural of groupo) compatible? Can I mix and match Record or Velocity components with my 10 speed triple Chorus?

That are the best 10 speed Campagnolo chains and cassettes? Which are the best value on a cost/performance basis?
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Mostly. I think there are some quirks with "quick shift" triples not mixing well with other generations .... not sure the specifics.
Some discussion here: http://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-me...hainrings.html

I use KMC chains, and either Veloce or Centaur cassettes.
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Veloce plays with chorus. all campy 10 sp chains work with all campy 10 sp drives systems. I use Veloce chains and Veloce or Centaur cassettes. I wait for chains to go on sale and buy 2 for around $45 each.
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I have the early Chorus that shifts better than the later "Quickshift" version.

I'm happy with a triple and with a 42t center ring, I infrequently shift the front derailleur. The center chainring is useful from 7 to 26 mph. Its nice to have a 30t inner ring, even if it's rarely used.

I ordered a Veloce cassette.
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I need to order a 111mm square taper bottom bracket and have found a NOS Record model for about $25 more than a Centaur model. Which is more durable and reliable, Record or Centaur?
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I have ones I bought , New, then Downgraded the fancier ones Mount with an internal spline same as the Campag Lock ring tool.

the lower tier uses a outside spline mounting wrench.. as a mechanic I appreciated the opportunity to slip an O ring on the spindle

then put on the the crankarm .. thus I have an extra seal .

111 Record , it's asymmetrical .. the lesser are symmetrical .. always confirm by measuring , yourself.
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Originally Posted by Barrettscv View Post
I need to order a 111mm square taper bottom bracket and have found a NOS Record model for about $25 more than a Centaur model. Which is more durable and reliable, Record or Centaur?
More important, what crankset are you using ? Chorus triple ?
Different model cranks use different length BB axles.
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Originally Posted by Homebrew01 View Post
More important, what crankset are you using ? Chorus triple ?
Different model cranks use different length BB axles.
And some are asymmetric and some not IIRC.

The upper tier Centaur+ work quite well...as compared to the low end AC-H ones which dies as soon as you ride them in a rain storm once.
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I'm using a Chorus triple. I'm certain the 111mm length is correct. The lightly used crankset came with a matching English BB.
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Im using a Chorus triple. I'm certain the 111mm length is correct. The lightly used crankset came with a matching English BB.
Both Chorus and Record used 102mm for double and 111 for triple and were asymmetric...I can't remember if Centaur 111mm triple BBs were symmetric or not OTTOMH.
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Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
And some are asymmetric and some not IIRC.

The upper tier Centaur+ work quite well...as compared to the low end AC-H ones which dies as soon as you ride them in a rain storm once.
Originally Posted by Marcus_Ti View Post
Both Chorus and Record used 102mm for double and 111 for triple and were asymmetric...I can't remember if Centaur 111mm triple BBs were symmetric or not OTTOMH.
Good info, I'll go for the Record (pun intended)
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OK, it's actually (strictly speaking) a bit more complicated than the above posts might indicate ...

Centaur and downward RDs made from 2007-2009 used a weaker return spring than the earlier counterparts. We don't recommend these RDs with Centaur or Veloce UltraShift levers, only made made in late 2008/2009 anyway.

A special series of Centaur and Veloce RDs was made in late 2009, beginning of 2010 to get over this problem.

All Record and Chorus RDs are interchangeable with all levers, excepting Escape and PowerShift (see below).
For FDs,with QS LH levers, a QR front derailleur should be used.

If you are using a QS FD with any UltraShift lever, you will need cable plate FD-CE011 to extend the actuator arm slightly, so giving you correct FD movement to work with a Campagnolo triple (or indeed a double) ...

We don't recommend pre-2007 Centaur or lower, "special series" (referred to above) Centaur or Veloce, or any Chorus / Record RDs with either "Escape Type" or "PowerShift" levers - the internals in these levers are not designed to withstand the long-term effects of the higher return spring tensions in these RDs. They'll work, it's just that we have seen some problems with longevity.

Although it appears to be the case, UltraShift levers were not designed to work with triples and some users have experienced problems when attempting this - we do not recommend it.

The best option to go for is probably Record or Chorus 10s rear gear (with the appropriate length of derailleur cage for the ratios you want to run) with the corresponding Record or Chorus 10s Ergo lever made 2001 - 2014 (when production ceased), or any other series Ergolever made 2001 - 2007. You can mate this to any Campagnolo 10s cassette that falls within the compatibility range of the length of RD cage that you have (provided the frame is in-spec - most are) and any Campagnolo 10s chain. We would strongly recommend the use of a Campagnolo triple chainset from the Comp Triple or Race Triple ranges - Veloce Triple made in 2012 /13 / 14 will probably also be fine but Campagnolo never tested this combo.

The reason for the crankset recommendation away from what you have is that as Fietsbob etc have said, although the LOA of the Record Triple BB is 111, the Record and Chorus Triple BBs were asymmetric and are no longer available. We have a way of putting new bearings onto the axle once the bearings are worn out but it's not a widely-offered service. Better might be to look for a Comp or Race Triple as these use a Centaur (Symmetrical) BB, 111 mm for seat tubes 28.6 and 32.0 mm, 115 for 35 mm seat tubes (to give correct and full throw on the FD).

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Very complete, thank you.
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