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Old 05-18-16, 07:43 PM
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I need a Derailleur hanger bolt for a 2006 litesppeed vortex..

ok, so im stupid but here we go... i was checking tightness on the derailleur hanger and its some super small Phillips head deal.. and i buggered up the face of the bolt.. i was able to get it out of there but its so fouled that i dont trust using it ever again... but the thing is its super tiny and i am just not sure where to get machine screws that small... any ideas... it is very small and i dont know the thread pitch or any of that to find a replacment... and it pretty much puts the bike on blocks untill i can find a replacement... Der hanger bolt or screws for attaching the der hanger to the frame...

help?!!! AAARRRRGGG!!
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McMaster-Carr has tons of metric screws: McMaster-Carr Try your local hardware store, some have a surprising selection.
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Old 05-18-16, 08:19 PM
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Originally Posted by dsbrantjr View Post
McMaster-Carr has tons of metric screws: McMaster-Carr Try your local hardware store, some have a surprising selection.
i dont even think we have hardware stores any more around here... i was thinking perhaps lowes or Homedepo.. i guess ACE.. but i think they closed... thing is .. its such a small dia bolt/screw... and the thread pitch and all that..
and a replacment hanger is 70bucks... for the want of a philips screw? no not cool with buying a new hanger.. i wish there was a database with that kinda information "this bolt/screw is ______ and M what ever".. but i have a sent a request to LS for the information... and this is another attempt to see if any mechs out there.. have a solid idea on replacment fasterner size...

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those freaking little screws... mad..
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Old 05-19-16, 04:20 AM
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Its highly likely that those screws are M3 flat head. These from Wheels MFG should work, they just have a hex instead of the phillips. Wheels Manufacturing M3x8 Flat Head Derailleur Hanger Screw Or you could get them from McMaster, you have to buy a box of 100, but its less that $5 for the box. McMaster-Carr
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From the CC link, those bolts look like clipless MTB cleat bolts except with Phillips head rather than hex. Don't know, because there isn't anything else in the picture to judge scale, but you never know!
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Originally Posted by dsaul View Post
they just have a hex instead of the phillips.
Which is highly superior IMO. Phillips heads were designed to "cam out" under high torque, which they do all too well.
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Originally Posted by dsbrantjr View Post
Which is highly superior IMO. Phillips heads were designed to "cam out" under high torque, which they do all too well.
yep, im not sure why they went with Phillips.. and i hope to heck its not proprietary, i know its not a cleat bolt, too too small to be that... its almost the size of a eye glass screw... but a bit bigger.. im not even sure how to measure the thread pitch or size of the screw.. why the heck litespeed cannot have an faq with this sorta information is beyond me.... i guess they want to gouge me for 70 bucks just because their scew head bunged up.. rant! ..... over
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Originally Posted by scuzzo View Post
im not even sure how to measure the thread pitch or size of the screw..
Metric screws are easy. Measure the outer diameter of the screw in mm, that is the screw size. Measure the length between several threads (the more the better, you can use the whole screw) and divide by the number of threads, that will yield the pitch. 3mm will have a coarse pitch of 0.5mm, fine will be 0.35mm. Here are some thread charts, the first two are relevant: https://mdmetric.com/thddata.htm
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really Litespeed? your answer to me is .. "those tiny fastener screws?" "oh those, well they are really tiny, so nope. i dont know the size.. but they come with the purchase of a new der hanger" technical support should be a bit more technical then, "those are tiny" man, i will be freaking dead before i buy a new ti hanger for the freaking "tiny screws" its the freaking company... they should know its a m2x6 or m3.x6... im sure i can get it sorted buy just buying a assortment of "tiny screw fastners by amazon or whoever.... but i am heated that you can call tech support and this is their answer... they are tiny... buy a new one....


rant.. over.. for now.,
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Local Bike store to the rescue!! the cat at the store said,, its M2x6... and it fits fine... just reinstalled Der.. all ship shape... this one has the works with a M2 wrench and its much better less chance of buggering the head on the screw... so i guess thats it.. i will leave Litespeed a note to tell them to post the freaking fasteners size of their 70 dollar der hanger,, and i will post up another thread just as a Public Service Anouncment for those who own 2005-2007 litespeed Ti bikes.. you need a 2mx6 fastener... its so easy for those screws to cam out.. its probly a good idea to replace them with a hex type fastener.. so m2x6 is it folks... there really should be a universal standard!

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Originally Posted by scuzzo View Post
i dont even think we have hardware stores any more around here... i was thinking perhaps lowes or Homedepo.. i guess ACE.. but i think they closed... thing is .. its such a small dia bolt/screw... and the thread pitch and all that..
and a replacment hanger is 70bucks... for the want of a philips screw? no not cool with buying a new hanger.. i wish there was a database with that kinda information "this bolt/screw is ______ and M what ever".. but i have a sent a request to LS for the information... and this is another attempt to see if any mechs out there.. have a solid idea on replacment fasterner size...

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those freaking little screws... mad..

Most ace hardware stores have a hardware section. That'd be my first stop. Alternatively, go to your local bike store.
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I'm not sure what model Litespeed you have but I don't think it's a Vortex since none of their Ti road bikes had replaceable rear derailleur hangers. i have an '05 Firenza and an '06 Tuscany and both have integral hangers and looking at the '06 Litespeed catalog, the Vortex did also.

There were replaceable hangers for a couple of their MTB's and carbon framed road bikes but not the Ti road bikes. I'm glad you found the right bolts but it's not that difficult to ID them and I don't consider Litespeed derelict for not publishing the sizes.
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Would be wrong, 2006 and 2007 have replaceable hangers check out the LS catalog.. But what ever.. Maybe it's not a litespeed, just some forgery,, dang.. Sad now...
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Would be wrong, 2006 and 2007 have replaceable hangers check out the LS catalog.. But what ever.. Maybe it's not a litespeed, just some forgery,, dang.. Sad now...
I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you but here is the 2006 Litepeed catalog and it shows absolutely none of their bikes with replaceable derailleur hangers. http://mombat.org/MOMBAT/BikeHistory...speed-2006.pdf I can further assure you that my 2006 Tuscany absolutely does not.

I couldn't find a 2007 catalog reprint but I don't think there were any significant changes to the Ti frame's dropouts that year either.

I don't know what you have but you may indeed have something else.
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Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you but here is the 2006 Litepeed catalog and it shows absolutely none of their bikes with replaceable derailleur hangers. http://mombat.org/MOMBAT/BikeHistory...speed-2006.pdf I can further assure you that my 2006 Tuscany absolutely does not.

I couldn't find a 2007 catalog reprint but I don't think there were any significant changes to the Ti frame's dropouts that year either.

I don't know what you have but you may indeed have something else.

there is no pissing contest, im right and you are well... not right.. look, i have a litespeed vortex.. i have pictures and stuff... do you really want me to photo the replacable hanger... or would you just rather google 2006 litespeed vortex replacable hanger... and it will point you to a lite speed page for small parts where you can order the Ti hanger... for the litespeed vortex... there are a few owners of this bike on this forum, and they can chime in if they wish... you need to let it go... i have the last year the vortex in traditional frame was produced and it indeed has a replaceable hanger.. or... litespeed is mistaken and are selling fradulent parts.. now... if you persist on this.. i can post a link where they have photos of the vortex and mention the blah blah blah... hanger... but i just think you should google it... and i dont wish to go any further...


guess thats that..

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Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you but here is the 2006 Litepeed catalog and it shows absolutely none of their bikes with replaceable derailleur hangers. http://mombat.org/MOMBAT/BikeHistory...speed-2006.pdf I can further assure you that my 2006 Tuscany absolutely does not.

I couldn't find a 2007 catalog reprint but I don't think there were any significant changes to the Ti frame's dropouts that year either.

I don't know what you have but you may indeed have something else.

Well, none except the Ghisallo, Ultimate, and Pavia....
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Originally Posted by HillRider View Post
I don't want to get into a pissing contest with you but here is the 2006 Litepeed catalog and it shows absolutely none of their bikes with replaceable derailleur hangers. http://mombat.org/MOMBAT/BikeHistory...speed-2006.pdf I can further assure you that my 2006 Tuscany absolutely does not.

I couldn't find a 2007 catalog reprint but I don't think there were any significant changes to the Ti frame's dropouts that year either.

I don't know what you have but you may indeed have something else.


just one more wack at the dead horse,

wack!!!

Litespeed - Titanium Replaceable Rear Derailleur Hanger in the advert you can see Vortex is listed...

see, there is this search page called google, that will look things up when you dont have a clue what you are talking about, like for instance,, litespeed vortex replaceable der hanger.. its kinda insulting to hear some cat tell me.. you dont have this bike.. when i go out in the garage... and yep.. there it is... and i rode it twice yesterday to make sure it was not some kinda mara.... those illusion things.... so.. while its no pissing contest... it did kinda erk me that some one would persist in calling me dim.. or what ever... its the net.. now... will you come back and post some retort saying... well litespeed must be mistaken? or perhaps im still riding some weird Ti frame with fake decals..

i think that horse is dead now....

agree?
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Wow, is my face red!! I apologize and you are correct. In 2006 Litespeed did indeed incorporate replaceable derailleur hangers on several Ti models, Vortex included, but not on the Tuscany. I have never seen one and the 2006 catalog did not make mention of it specifically so I missed it.

OK, now that horse is truly dead and I'll put away the whip. Sorry.
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