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Old 04-10-17, 10:42 AM
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Tick tock click when pedaling harder?

Any ideas? I don't really feel like troubleshooting this a whole lot. I'm thinking maybe leave it or leave it and hope a part breaks.

If I pedal medium-hard or harder my bike is now making a consistent click sound. Most of the time it sounds like a metallic tick-tock sound.

Only recently has it become more consistent.

I think I first noticed it after I replaced the chain rings, crank arms, and cassette last year. I figured it was parts adjusting after I put it together and tightened things. It went away.

At that time or before I also thought the pedals were wearing out. They're ball-bearing pedals. I got new ones. Never put them on. Still have them ready to go. But I don't think it's the pedals. When the pedals seemed clicky I could feel it. This metallic tick tock click I can feel in both pedals.

I could try swapping on the new pedals but that's where I don't want to spend time on it. Plus, I'm thinking it's probably not that. If it is the pedals, maybe they'll just break down more on their own and it will become more obvious.

I tried squeezing the rear brake and pushing the pedals with my hands, but I couldn't get it to click at all.

Otherwise the ride is very smooth. I put a new rear wheel on. That felt zippier at first. Now it's more springy, dumpy feeling. I don't think it's the rear wheel for the click sounds since the bike did that a bit before the rear wheel. I could add lube on the spokes, but I already did that enough when I built the wheel.

I'm wondering if it's something with the bottom bracket, maybe with ball bearings. And I'm curious why it only does it when I'm pressing more on the pedals.
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My first suspicion would be the bottom bracket. It's common for the creaking/ticking noise to happen only when pedaling hard, as that's when you're applying the most force and torque on the bearings.
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Probably should lube the spokes again.
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Stop being lazy and change the pedals. It takes all of 2 minutes...

Could also be the BB, loose saddle clamp, loose seatpost clamp, housing rocking against the frame, etc...

Refine and eliminate. Easiest thing is the pedals.
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Originally Posted by corrado33 View Post
Stop being lazy and change the pedals. It takes all of 2 minutes...

Could also be the BB, loose saddle clamp, loose seatpost clamp, housing rocking against the frame, etc...

Refine and eliminate. Easiest thing is the pedals.
+1 do the cheap and easy things first, you already have the pedals. Don't neglect to clean and lube the threads when installing.
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Old 04-10-17, 11:25 AM
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Check if your shoelace is hitting the crank.
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Bottom bracket and/or rear hub may need attention.
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A worn or lose cleat?
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Still hunting for it. This is going to drive me nuts. I might try the new pedals just to see.

I squeezed the spokes. They did creak more than I expected but it's not the sound sound. The mystery sound is a sharper click sound. Sometime there's an extra "tock" making the first sound a "tick." The spokes echo more anyway.

I can recreate it faster if I squeeze the brakes so I'm pedalling against more resistance.

Since I put on the new kickstand and that touches cables underneath (both shifting I think) I tried oiling right on the cable where it rubs against the kickstand metal pieces. No change. If it was a click I thought maybe... maybe the cable was clicking left to right or something. I'm doubting that though.

I remember when I tightened the chain rings on, I actually used the wrong torq -- too much -- but I realized it after it was already on so I left it. That was something like 450 foot pounds instead of 400. But that was also using a needle gauge with an arm for the torq measurement so I didn't think it was probably that far. I figured it was probably "solidly" the correct number. Even still I suppose something could be creaking in the rings.

I can't tell if the sound is more left or right. I keep looking down toward the bottom bracket though. I watched the rings and didn't see anything rubbing there.

Tried bouncing a little on the pedals. Moving them left/right, any direction I could. No change. No wiggle. They seem solid.


If it is something in the bottom bracket, I'd consider that more serious since it's essentially in the frame and could damage the frame. What might it be if it's the bottom bracket? Ball bearing in there that should be routinely changed and cleaned?
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Creaks in bikes are often very hard to diagnose by "looking" and "listening". The materials that bikes are made of will carry sound a LONG way.

The ONLY way to diagnose creaks is to eliminate parts, just like everyone has been suggesting. Tighten saddle and seatpost hardware first. (While you're at it, grease the seatpost appropriately.) Then replace pedals, then remove and remount cranks with a bit of grease. Remove the kickstand.

Seriously, in all of the above you're turning the wrench 7 times. 7 times you have to put a tool to a bolt. Is that that hard? We can't diagnose your creaks over the internet, you have to DO something. Eliminate some variables.

A creak in the BB doesn't mean anything bad is going to happen. Sometimes they just creak. You're not going to hurt your frame with a creaky bottom bracket (unless it's super... super loose, which you'd know already.)
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450 ft lbs is a little high for the chain ring bolts.
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Old 04-10-17, 04:57 PM
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I've had SPD pedals click, as well as BBs and such, but repacking SPD pedals is easy.
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I don't remember what the torq was, just that it was higher than spec.

Found this.
http://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-me...edal-hard.html


It could be the seatpost. I've gone through one already and a couple seats. I thought the seat felt like it swiveled a little the other day. I could just stand up, not use the seat, and see if it still creaks.

The rear wheel is new so I doubt it's the hub there. The creak was present now and then before that.


It's also not quite consistent for clicking in the same place related to where the pedals are. It will stay generally around one spot but that click moves... Back,lower,rear spot in pedaling for the click.... Then it moves to the upper,high,front part of the pedal rotation. I don't think I got it to click pedaling backwards, maybe once. I would try to pedal backwards and then press while going forward to get it to click. It would click around the same spot for a while that way.

Is there any way to test this without being on the bike? Rear wheel up and movable, brake on, and pressing by hand wasn't enough force. The need for pressure makes me wonder too. So if there's pressure, something might/must be flexing a bit?

Chain ring teeth look ok when I watching, glancing down, while riding. One tooth out of whack wouldn't make sense if the creak moves in relation to the pedal rotation.

The bike hasn't fallen over anytime recently.
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Originally Posted by bikerbobbbb View Post
I don't remember what the torq was, just that it was higher than spec.

Found this.
http://www.bikeforums.net/bicycle-me...edal-hard.html


It could be the seatpost. I've gone through one already and a couple seats. I thought the seat felt like it swiveled a little the other day. I could just stand up, not use the seat, and see if it still creaks.
This won't work reliably. Ask me how I know. Seriously, just take the seatpost out, clean it, grease it, and put it back in. That's like a full 60 seconds of work. That would take LESS time than trying to figure out if it is the seatpost or not.
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No shoe cleats.


I wonder if it's the chain rings. The chain ring/crank set I got has replacable rings. I didn't do anything with those though when I put it on. The chain rings were one piece. Put it on, done.
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I did try shifting gears, no change. Small, medium, largest chain ring. No difference.
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Originally Posted by corrado33 View Post
This won't work reliably. Ask me how I know. Seriously, just take the seatpost out, clean it, grease it, and put it back in. That's like a full 60 seconds of work. That would take LESS time than trying to figure out if it is the seatpost or not.
Ok, how do you know? Haha. The seatpost still will creak even if there's no weight on it?

It's more work. I've got plastic bags and seat covers on the seat and an extra lock and stuff. Still possible to do though. I wonder if I can just squirt lube on things to test.
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check for a loose chainring
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I was gonna say chain ring too, but the OP already covered that. The triple on my 1990s mountain bike is aluminum and there's one pesky bolt and lock ring that loosens. I can't reach the lock ring without disassembling everything, so every few weeks I crank the bolt a bit tighter, but it'll keep loosening up and making a ticking noise until I disassemble the whole dang thing and use Loctite to do it right.
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Make sure it isn't your body. My right ankle pops every rotation. Not as loudly on the bike as when I run. Could be in your case a knee or hip. Of course, this advice is coming from an "old" guy.
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Originally Posted by bikerbobbbb View Post
Ok, how do you know? Haha. The seatpost still will creak even if there's no weight on it?
Sometimes, yes. I had a long seatpost on one bike which went deep into the frame, and frame flex under pedal power was causing the tick. The solution was to cut the post.

Bicycle ticking works in mysterious ways.
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When I hear a tick the first thing I do is see if it ticks when I'm pedaling out of the saddle. If it doesn't I pull over and tighten the seat post. If it does tick when I'm out of the saddle then 90% of the time it's something I'm surprised no one has mentioned. I pull over and tighten the rear wheel skewer.
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Got some more info. I'm leaning toward pedals, seat post somewhere, or chain ring.

I checked the seat. That does wobble a bit. That's the only thing I'm finding that does move more than I'd like. It's the seat on a 'air cushion' seat post. One of those posts already broke on me. The base of the post stays locked in tight, but the guts break down and then you can just pull the whole seat up with the post still lock since the guts come out. That might be happening. I don't see a way to tighten it though. Pic attached. The more square part will rotate around back and forth a bit, but that's all it does. So I put some oil on that more square post. I did notice the post moved more freely. Did a usual ride -- Still creaked. But it seems like the bike didn't have as much dumpiness to it now. I was hoping it was just the seat post -- swap in a new one, done. That would explain dumpiness in the ride and also that I've been able to put my foot flat on the pavement while I wait for traffic. I thought it was toes only before. Having the seat post die and sink a little would explain that.

I tried standing up on the pedals -- Major creaking. Even the handlebars creaked. Then back to the normal creaking. That didn't tell me much except that I wasn't on the seat. The sound could be coming from the seat post still.

Next I tried WD-40 around the bottom bracket -- pedal bolts, chain rings, etc. Let is sit. Add some more. Then I did another usual ride. This time the creak was a lot less, so maybe it's something there, maybe the chain rings. I noticed right away when I moved the bike that it felt zipper just pushing it.

Let it sit again and adding another round of WD-40. I looked for chain ring allen wrench holes. Only found two on the largest, outside ring. I was able to tighten those just a bit. On the ride after that there's little creaking, but it's still there. So maybe it's the chain rings or something there that's affected by WD-40 too. I want to figure out how those chains rings come off and go on. Maybe I can open it up a little and tighten them all down. Or take them off, lube it, and put it back together if I have to. Or just live with the creaking since it's not as much as it was yesterday.
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Here's my crankset.
Shimano Acera M361 Square Crankset > Components > Drivetrain > Cranksets | Jenson USA
SHIMANO ACERA M361 SQUARE CRANKSET

I noticed the allen wrench holes are on the outside/DS. And I got one like this with a cover. I'm wondering how the cover and each ring comes off. I wouldn't actually have to take them off. Just tighten the rings and see what that does.

Some kind of spec sheet...
http://cycle.shimano.co.kr/media/tec...9830667768.PDF

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Odd. The clicking has nearly gone away now. I'm thinking WD-40 around the bottom bracket/chain rings or maybe the pedals.

I noticed a slight grinding feel to the pedals now, so maybe it's that. That started earlier today. Last time I felt a click/grind/weirdness in the pedals, so I bought new ones. Then the oddity went away so I never swapped the next pedals on. Maybe I'll luck out again.




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And today... nothing. No clicks or creaks at all.

If do I pop those chain rings off sometime, I might need a tool...

Here's one.... I have no idea if there are variations.
https://www.amazon.com/Park-Tool-CNW.../dp/B005JAMHXO
Park Tool bike tools CNW-2 Chainring Nut Wrench


http://www.parktool.com/category/tools
Or not. Looks like there's only one from Park Tool.
http://www.parktool.com/product/chai...t-wrench-cnw-2
CHAINRING NUT WRENCH
CNW-2


Interesting measurer...
http://www.parktool.com/product/chai...er-gauge-cdg-2


How do I know if my chain rings need that tool though?




Interesting....



And how to get that chain ring cover removed?





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