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Old 05-07-17, 09:50 AM
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Do internal gear/freewheel hubs still exist?

I was looking at a classic touring bike of 50+ years ago, which had a close-gear 3 speed S/A hub with a 3-speed freewheel and a 2-speed front derailleur. For it's day, this was an incredible gear collection.

I know that there was a Nexus 3speed internal with a 7 speed cassette, but this combo required a 135mm dropout spacing. I'm looking for something that will fit in a 126mm, maybe even a 130mm spacing. Does anything like this exist today?
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Look at Shimano Nexus 7-speed.
You can use a double crankset with it, but why?

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/nexus7.shtml
https://bike.shimano.com/content/sac-...ting/hubs.html

8-speed is compatible with the 132mm spacing. Sheldon Brown describes a way of converting it to 126mm.

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Sachs made a 3-speed IGH fitted with a 7-speed cassette years ago and Bike Friday used them on a lot of their models to avoid a front derailleur and to compensate for the small wheels. Here's Sheldon Brown's (updated by John Allen) article on them:

https://www.sheldonbrown.com/sachs-internal.html

I couldn't find any OLD information in the article but, given the 1980's vintage of some of them, I expect 126 mm was used.
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Sturmey Archer thrives after the buy out by Sun Race, in Taiwan..

there , for their large customer, Brompton, make a wider ratio 3 speed with a 2 speed cog driver..

in the Asian, boutique market for Brompton owners,

there is a 3 cog Titanium cluster, that fits in place of the regular 2 ..


I had one of the Ciclo, British machined 3 cog clusters for S/A AW3 hubs, 60 years ago..



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Sturmey also makes a three speed hub that works with a cassette of eight or nine speeds.
See:
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And SRAM took over the Sachs Dual Drive.

But, I think I read that SRAM may be stopping IGH production, so those may disappear from the new market soon.

SRAM Stops Remaining Internal Gear Hub Production - Bike Europe
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Originally Posted by fietsbob
Sturmey Archer thrives after the buy out by Sun Race, in Taiwan..

there , for their large customer, Brompton, make a wider ratio 3 speed with a 2 speed cog driver..

in the Asian, boutique market for Brompton owners,

there is a 3 cog Titanium cluster, that fits in place of the regular 2 ..

This might be what I'm looking for. What I'd like is one where the internal gears are close-range, and the external cogs are wide-set (opposite of what a Nexus design does). Do you have any link to anybody who sells these?
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Brompton BWR Hubs are 28 spoke hubshells, 117 wide OLD, so 120 wide frame dropouts..

in NY the Brompton dealer, https://www.nycewheels.com/brompton-folding-bike.html

BWR is .64/1/1.57 , the AW3 & BSR are .75/1/1.33.. I have no idea if the drivers can be swapped...

Todd the owner of the Portland Oregon Brompton dealership, Clever Cycles, would know about the Titanium 3 cog cluster,
since he wrote about touring Eastern Oregon using one..





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