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I'm considering building a pair of Enve M50 rims with CK R45 disc hubs for my Seven Airheart to use both in cross races and on the road. Using the prowheelbuilder spoke-length calculator, I get 296mm and 296.8mm spokes required for the disc and non-disc side of the front wheel. Various resources I've looked at suggest rounding down. So I'm assuming I should just get 296mm for both the disc and non-disc side?
Likewise the rear calculations go 297.2 mm and 295.8 mm for disc and drive side respectively so I figure I'll go with 297mm and 295mm. I am planning to use a three-cross pattern with Sapim CX-Ray spokes. (The rims take 28 spokes.) Is that sensible?
Another question: Enve's recommended tire size for these rims is 1.9 in - 2.25 in (ie min width of a bit under 49mm) but the internal rim width is 21mm, which is only 1mm more than the HED Ardennes Plus internal width, and people appear to use 23mm tires on the Ardennes Plus without problems. My frame optimally uses 35mm tires. Would I be okay running 35mm tires on these rims? If so, I'm wondering what might be the best choice for a reliable tubeless 35mm tire for road touring. It seems most of the recommended road options I see top out at 28mm, with 35mm options being gravel tires. My next tour will be exclusively on the road.
Likewise the rear calculations go 297.2 mm and 295.8 mm for disc and drive side respectively so I figure I'll go with 297mm and 295mm. I am planning to use a three-cross pattern with Sapim CX-Ray spokes. (The rims take 28 spokes.) Is that sensible?
Another question: Enve's recommended tire size for these rims is 1.9 in - 2.25 in (ie min width of a bit under 49mm) but the internal rim width is 21mm, which is only 1mm more than the HED Ardennes Plus internal width, and people appear to use 23mm tires on the Ardennes Plus without problems. My frame optimally uses 35mm tires. Would I be okay running 35mm tires on these rims? If so, I'm wondering what might be the best choice for a reliable tubeless 35mm tire for road touring. It seems most of the recommended road options I see top out at 28mm, with 35mm options being gravel tires. My next tour will be exclusively on the road.
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Spokes usually come in even numbers. So 3 sides will be 296 and I would go 298 for the other.
My Dyad rims are 24mm outside, where I use 35 mm. Now I have 37mm tires on 650B, seems OK.
My Dyad rims are 24mm outside, where I use 35 mm. Now I have 37mm tires on 650B, seems OK.
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From ENVE's site:
ENVE 29XC Clincher and M50 for Road/CX Tubed or Tubeless Use
Tire Width Maximum Tire Pressure (PSI)
25c 100
28c 90
33c 80
38c 75
Those recommended tire sizes reflect that they are predominantly inteneded for XC race use. However, apparently they seem to have anticipated that they may be used as road disc wheelsets. So yeah, should be fine.
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_t...rathon_supreme is exactly a touring tire that is tubeless.
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/co...-bon-jon-pass/ is fast and has basically no additional puncture/sidewall protection, but that may be OK with sealant.
ENVE 29XC Clincher and M50 for Road/CX Tubed or Tubeless Use
Tire Width Maximum Tire Pressure (PSI)
25c 100
28c 90
33c 80
38c 75
Those recommended tire sizes reflect that they are predominantly inteneded for XC race use. However, apparently they seem to have anticipated that they may be used as road disc wheelsets. So yeah, should be fine.
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_t...rathon_supreme is exactly a touring tire that is tubeless.
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/co...-bon-jon-pass/ is fast and has basically no additional puncture/sidewall protection, but that may be OK with sealant.
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From ENVE's site:
ENVE 29XC Clincher and M50 for Road/CX Tubed or Tubeless Use
Tire Width Maximum Tire Pressure (PSI)
25c 100
28c 90
33c 80
38c 75
Those recommended tire sizes reflect that they are predominantly inteneded for XC race use. However, apparently they seem to have anticipated that they may be used as road disc wheelsets. So yeah, should be fine.
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_t...rathon_supreme is exactly a touring tire that is tubeless.
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/co...-bon-jon-pass/ is fast and has basically no additional puncture/sidewall protection, but that may be OK with sealant.
ENVE 29XC Clincher and M50 for Road/CX Tubed or Tubeless Use
Tire Width Maximum Tire Pressure (PSI)
25c 100
28c 90
33c 80
38c 75
Those recommended tire sizes reflect that they are predominantly inteneded for XC race use. However, apparently they seem to have anticipated that they may be used as road disc wheelsets. So yeah, should be fine.
https://www.schwalbetires.com/bike_t...rathon_supreme is exactly a touring tire that is tubeless.
https://www.compasscycle.com/shop/co...-bon-jon-pass/ is fast and has basically no additional puncture/sidewall protection, but that may be OK with sealant.
This has me worried. Do you think it is likely to prove a problem?
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I'd call ENVE and ask. Their SES 4.5 AR road disc wheelset also uses a hookless design, so they may feel that hookless is appropriate for general road use.
According to their site, however, they recommend the SES 4.5 ONLY for use with road tubeless tires (not standard clinchers):
https://enve.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ar...earance-Notice
According to their site, however, they recommend the SES 4.5 ONLY for use with road tubeless tires (not standard clinchers):
https://enve.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/ar...earance-Notice
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