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Old 05-22-17, 01:13 AM
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Long cage, short cage?

I need a cheapo rear derailleur and have seen several on ebay, Amazon etc. My problem is I don't quite understand whether I need a long or short cage one. I have 6 speed bike if that is any help.

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Old 05-22-17, 02:04 AM
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how many sprockets on the crank? how many teeth on the rear gear's largest gear?
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Old 05-22-17, 02:58 AM
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Thanks for your prompt reply. There are three sprockets on the front and the largest cog on the back has 28 teeth.
As a matter of interest, what is a 34t cassette?

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Three sprockets on the front generally equates to a long cage rear derailleur. The longer arm is needed to take up the chain slack created by shifting from the biggest front sprocket to the smallest.

A "34t cassette" refers to a 34t largest rear cog. That will give you an easier climbing gear but at the expense of larger gaps between gears. Many rear derailleurs aren't rated to handle a 34t cog so you are best off choosing a mountain group derailleur.
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the difference between tooth counts (big+big) - (small + small ) = the amount of chain slack you have to take up

greater the difference, longer the cage , distance between pulleys.
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Thanks very much for that, am thinking about getting a Shimano RDTY21.

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A longer cage will fit a lesser ranges cassette but a short cage might not work with a wide range gearing set up. So the safe answer is a long cage. Worst result is a bit less crisp shifting. But with the low cost TY series crisp shifting is not going to happen any way... Andy
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Brian;

Do yourself a favor and get a Shimano RD-TX35 SGS; they are inexpensive, shift smoothly, and ruggedly built. They maybe the heaviest RD Shimano currently offers.
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Brian;

Do yourself a favor and get a Shimano RD-TX35 SGS; they are inexpensive, shift smoothly, and ruggedly built. They maybe the heaviest RD Shimano currently offers.
That is exactly the other model I am looking at. Any idea what 'SGS' means? Just ordered one from ebay but no mention of 'SGS'.

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Old 05-22-17, 12:35 PM
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Thanks to everyone who answered my question

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Originally Posted by meddyliol View Post
Thanks very much for that, am thinking about getting a Shimano RDTY21.

Cheers

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spend a bit more and get an Altus or Alivio Derailleur... you will be much happier with either of them than with a Tourney.

and definitely you will want the long cage... a mid cage length would probably work, but the long cage option will allow installing a wider range freewheel or cassette in the future...
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Originally Posted by meddyliol View Post
Thanks very much for that, am thinking about getting a Shimano RDTY21.

Cheers

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spend a bit more and get an Altus, Alivio, Claris, or Deore Derailleur... you will be much happier with any of them, than with a Tourney.

and definitely you will want the long cage... a mid cage length would probably work, but the long cage option will allow installing a wider range freewheel or cassette in the future...
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Originally Posted by meddyliol View Post
Thanks very much for that, am thinking about getting a Shimano RDTY21.
Oops, now you've got another thing to check. That particular derailleur comes in 2 versions.

Look at where the derailleur attaches to your bicycle. Do you see a finger hanging down with a threaded hole at the bottom?

Yes = direct mount
No = claw hanger required
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Originally Posted by meddyliol View Post
That is exactly the other model I am looking at. Any idea what 'SGS' means? Just ordered one from ebay but no mention of 'SGS'.

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SS is short cage. GS is medium cage. SGS is long cage. No real idea for the acronym, maybe Gran Sport and Super Gran Sport?
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Do yourself a favor; take this bike to a mechanic. You don't know what you are doing.
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Do yourself a favor; take this bike to a mechanic. You don't know what you are doing.
He'll never learn that way.

Everybody has to do everything for the first time once. I don't call blunders that I make along the way "mistakes," I call them "tuition."
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how to chose derailleur length
hope this helps.
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Old 05-23-17, 01:00 AM
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Originally Posted by AlexCyclistRoch View Post
Do yourself a favor; take this bike to a mechanic. You don't know what you are doing.
Thanks for your very helpful advice, I do know what I am doing, just with loads of different modern derailleurs out there it's a minefield. I was probably putting bikes together before you were born.

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I looked at the other types but the one I ordered was the only one I could afford. I am a pensioner not rich. I did check the mounting and mine is a direct mount.

Thanks again for all the (mostly) helpful advice. I will probably be banned now for my comments.

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