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Old 07-13-17, 10:35 AM
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Wide supple tire recommendation

Hi

I need a recommendation for a wide 700x(32, 35 or 38)c tire.

Currently I run Schwalbe Marathons in 700x35c (37-622), and they are very close to the largest ones the frame fits (Bianchi hybrid). Do there exist any tires that
  1. Are not extremenly expensive.
  2. Are wide enough (almost 300lb rider), but not wider than 38mm.
  3. Have lower rolling resistance than the Marathons.
  4. Preferably have some puncture protection (not as good as Marathons).
Will mostly ride on pavement with occasional potholes.

I was thinking of something like Gatorskins, Durano of G-One Allround. Does switching to them (or any other ones) from the Marathons make a difference?

I have a pair of 700x28c GP 4000SII, should I just use them for training and casual riding?

Thanks for the help.

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Compass tires probably has the fastest wide 700c slicks, but they have basically no puncture protection.
Continental 4 seasons come in a 32, as do Bontrager R3s, which are both pretty nice tires, but probably on the narrower end of what would be ideal.

The fastest touring tire tested in bicyclerollingresistance.com right now is the Schwalbe Marathon Almotion 700x38, which has rolling resistance numbers similar to many road training tires.
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Big fan of the panaracer pasella tourguards. 35 and 32 mm. Hits all your boxes.
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Schwalbe Kojaks. 700 x 35. They weigh less than half of the Marathons. Superior cornering and braking grip. Supple sidewalls provide a nice ride. Low rolling resistance. I love mine.

What is "Expensive" to you? Compass Bon Jon Pass will likely be the best riding and rolling, but are higher priced.
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The Vittoria Voyager Hyper fits all of your criteria. They run large. My tires rated at 35mm measure 37mm. It has the lowest rolling resistance of all tires in at least one test.
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Panaracer T-Serve Protex.

Not the lightest, not the fastest, not the most flat resistance, but it does all three pretty well, and are about $40 each.
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Originally Posted by cpach View Post
Compass tires probably has the fastest wide 700c slicks, but they have basically no puncture protection.

The fastest touring tire tested in bicyclerollingresistance.com right now is the Schwalbe Marathon Almotion 700x38, which has rolling resistance numbers similar to many road training tires.
Thanks! It may not fit the frame (photo below for 37-622/700x35c Marathons, it barely clears) as it is specced at 40-622/700x38c .

Originally Posted by SquidPuppet View Post
Schwalbe Kojaks. 700 x 35. They weigh less than half of the Marathons. Superior cornering and braking grip. Supple sidewalls provide a nice ride. Low rolling resistance. I love mine.

Compass Bon Jon Pass will likely be the best riding and rolling, but are higher priced.
Thanks! Will think about Compass. Somehow bicyclerollingresistance shows Kojak is about 2W more than the GreenGuard Marathon. Probably the reason is that they test under a relatively small load.

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The Vittoria Voyager Hyper fits all of your criteria. They run large. My tires rated at 35mm measure 37mm. It has the lowest rolling resistance of all tires in at least one test.
Thanks! Probably will try these ones. They defeat Schwalbes in bicyclerollingresistance tests at 75+ psi. In the review they say it is essentially a wide road tire with some puncture protection. Have you ridden them on the local bike paths like North/South county trailways?

Photo of the current Marathons, they barely clear the frame:
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Originally Posted by Leebo View Post
Big fan of the panaracer pasella tourguards. 35 and 32 mm. Hits all your boxes.
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Panaracer T-Serve Protex.

Not the lightest, not the fastest, not the most flat resistance, but it does all three pretty well, and are about $40 each.
Thanks! I have heard many things about the Panaracer tires, will need to do some research about them. If I understand correctly, they also make tires for Soma.
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Originally Posted by Leebo View Post
Big fan of the panaracer pasella tourguards. 35 and 32 mm. Hits all your boxes.

Ditto.
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From my experience.. the better and bigger the puncture resistance layer, the less supple the tire is. That puncture resistance layer is harder, adds a lot of weight and bulk, and less flexible than the rest of the tire. That is how the punctures are reduced. That is just the way it is. You can try lowering the air pressure but the amount of "supple" does increase as much as a non protected tire would with an equal drop. Same reason... That layer is harder. I had the same dilemma with Marathons. Great overall tire but it's not the tire for everyone.

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Old 07-14-17, 10:45 AM
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I also really like the Vittoria Voyager Hyper tires. I have a set in 700c x 32 mm on my touring bike, and they feel and ride great.

You should check PlanetX.co.uk for some good prices on wide, supple tires. I had wanted to try the Hypers for years, but was deterred by the consistent $60-70 price tag per tire everywhere, and finally took the plunge when they had a good deal. They have some others there that might be contenders, too. I guess you also don't pay the 25% VAT that we pay here in Europe, which can make the prices more attractive despite the increased shipping costs.
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One more vote for Panaracer Paselas. I haven't had a lot of trouble with the plain version, but if you do, go up to the PT model, and if that doesn't work, the TG. Decent tire, a good balance between light weight, flexibility, and puncture resistance.
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Originally Posted by csport View Post
Photo of the current Marathons, they barely clear the frame:
You may find that with a nice supple 700x32C at the appropriate pressures, you'll be plenty comfortable.
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Thanks! I have heard many things about the Panaracer tires, will need to do some research about them. If I understand correctly, they also make tires for Soma.
Panaracer makes tires for Compass, Soma, Rivendell, Fairweather and probably others. However, most of those companies will tell you that they spec higher end materials and processes than Panaracer uses for the Paselas TG's, which are more of a budget tire compared to what Panaracer is capable of. The Paselas are an excellent value, are durable, and wear well, but IMHO I've never found them to roll as well as others have experienced. They aren't the first name that would jump out at me when you're asking specifically for a supple tire, but that's just my experience. I wish that rolling resistance site would test a few Panaracers since they seem to be so popular with the touring and commuting crowd.

Also, I haven't tried them, but I do like the looks of some of the Schwalbes that people have mentioned already, specifically the Almotion, Kojak, and especially the Marathon Supreme.

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Panaracer Pasela's scored vey well in the BQ test a few yeas ago, just below the Grand Bois. I use the 622-32 size.
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I also really like the Vittoria Voyager Hyper tires. I have a set in 700c x 32 mm on my touring bike, and they feel and ride great.

You should check PlanetX.co.uk for some good prices on wide, supple tires. I had wanted to try the Hypers for years, but was deterred by the consistent $60-70 price tag per tire everywhere, and finally took the plunge when they had a good deal. They have some others there that might be contenders, too. I guess you also don't pay the 25% VAT that we pay here in Europe, which can make the prices more attractive despite the increased shipping costs.
Did it, thanks!

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You may find that with a nice supple 700x32C at the appropriate pressures, you'll be plenty comfortable.
For the rider+bike weight of 330lb, the rear load is 200lb assuming 40/60 split. Extrapolating the graph in BQ to 200lb would give approximately 120psi for a 32mm tire. I decided to take the risk and go with 37mm tires. Hopefully they fit. Naively, I think Marathons will have a larger diameter at the same width because of the thicker tread; and this means I will be fine.

Paselas will be the next on my list. Maybe in 26" for the Hardrock.
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Received the Voyager Hypers. After several rides I am very pleased with them, they roll better than the GreenGuard Marathons of the same size. Also, they appear a tiny bit smaller, which means no problems with clearance.
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@csport, what size did you get? I got the 35s which turned out to be 37s.
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I was thinking of something like Gatorskins, Durano of G-One Allround.
I run 35 mm (37 actual) G-One Allaround.

Very supple and roll/grip like a nice road tire.

Wear out fast and not inexpensive but a super nice tire to ride.


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I run 35 mm (37 actual) G-One Allaround.

Very supple and roll/grip like a nice road tire.

Wear out fast and not inexpensive but a super nice tire to ride.


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Can you expand on "wear out fast". I've been considering and comparing similar tires. I have Conti SpeedRide now with about 600 each on and off road and still look close to new.
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@csport, what size did you get? I got the 35s which turned out to be 37s.
@noglider, probably the same as yours, the label reads 37-622 700x35c, whatever it means. Mine look slightly narrower than 35mm on a 17mm rim. Thanks for recommending them! I made 32mph on the long descent in Prospect Park tonight, and the traction was great. In the same place Marathons felt like the rear wheel was about to lose contact with the ground during pedaling and I was about to experience a kernel panic there
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Can you expand on "wear out fast". I've been considering and comparing similar tires. I have Conti SpeedRide now with about 600 each on and off road and still look close to new.
800 miles and the micro-knobbies on the rear tire are about 80% gone in the center. I figure another 400 miles max. I'm not easy on them and they are a race tire so I had no expectations otherwise.

They roll silky smooth and fast on pavement and smooth gravel or hard packed dirt. As a roadie who rides higher end road tires, I was concerned about weight and traction as I switched to gravel. These tires were really surprising - they handle and feel like a nice road tire. Paired with a light wheel they are really fun to ride.

35 mm measure 38 actual. The 38 mm size measure 41 actual.

One of the five I have used had a broken bead when delivered.


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I have more than 1,600 miles on a set of Conti Speed Rides and the rear tire is showing some wear in the shallow file tread. Not bad at all. I'm surprised because the tread feels very soft, like it would wear out quicker. But the Speed Rides have held up well on mixed pavement (smooth and rough, chipseal and striated concrete) and gravel -- some rough, mostly groomed crushed limestone trails.

I wan't expecting much when I bought the pair for $20 on a one-day Amazon sale last fall. But the Speed Rides have over-delivered. I'd pay the usual $20-$25 each to replace 'em after this set finally wears out. Actually I'll probably just buy one later this year, move the front to the rear and put the new tire on the front.
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I have more than 1,600 miles on a set of Conti Speed Rides and the rear tire is showing some wear in the shallow file tread. Not bad at all. I'm surprised because the tread feels very soft, like it would wear out quicker. But the Speed Rides have held up well on mixed pavement (smooth and rough, chipseal and striated concrete) and gravel -- some rough, mostly groomed crushed limestone trails.

I wan't expecting much when I bought the pair for $20 on a one-day Amazon sale last fall. But the Speed Rides have over-delivered. I'd pay the usual $20-$25 each to replace 'em after this set finally wears out. Actually I'll probably just buy one later this year, move the front to the rear and put the new tire on the front.
My rear Speed Ride has a few hundred miles on it, and the rear is showing wear in the center of the tread, as yours are. I am a heavier rider (235 lb) and I don't run them inflated all that high (about 50 psi in the rear). It's just the beginning of wear, but it is visible already. There is quite a bit of tread squirm on these tires and, like you, I expected faster wear than even I am seeing (which may be more than what you're getting).

I think these are the best value tires in the market for riders who ride on mixed surfaces, need only minimal puncture protection, want a supple casing, and don't have a lot of money to spend. For the price paid, and only 420 grams for a tire that measures an honest 38-39mm, they're a real bargain.
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We get a LOT of posts asking about tires. Here's my question:

There's lots of different tires and, it seems to me, more are coming out all of the time. How many different tire models can anybody experience in a given year? I've been using the same set of Schwalbe Marathon Race tires for a little over a year. I can't remember having any punctures and I'm not dissatisfied with them in any other way. They're fine. In fact, if I were to buy a new set of tires today, I think that I would buy the same thing.

Might something else be better? How should I know? I have 2 philosophies for buying tires:
1. If you like what you have, next time buy the same thing. That way you'll never be disappointed.
2. If you regularly ride with the same group of riders, check out their bikes and buy the same tires that the majority of them are using. That way if you have a puncture on a group ride, while everybody is standing around watching you fix your flat, you won't have to endure a lecture about what sucky tires you have.
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