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Old 10-11-17, 09:35 AM   #1
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Bike pedal keeps coming loose

As the title says the left peddle keeps coming loose and I have tighten the screw with a ratchet after every ride. Days ago the dust cap fell it and the screw fell of. I lost the cap and screw but was able to find a replacement from a junk bike. I'm no bike expert that's why I joined this forum but how do I fix this problem? I was using a skating tool to tighten the screw after every ride but it broke so now use a ratchet. I have pics I took on my phone but can't seem to upload them here i only see an option to post url image links
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It appears that it is the crank, not the pedal which is coming loose. Once this starts, often the crank arm is damaged so that no amount of tightening will suffice to keep it in place. The solution is a new crank arm

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If, as suggested above, you mean the crank, the only real solution is a new crank.

Once a crank is ridden loose for any distance, the square hole wears in a way that allows movement as you pedal. That movement may be slight at first, but will worsen over time. The movement will work the bolt loose, allowing more movement. It's a progressive spiral that once started cannot be stopped.

Fortunately, the damage is limited to the crank, since the spindle is so much harder. So a new crank, and a reminder to keep it tight, and retighten immediately at the first hint of looseness.
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The pedal itself does turn spin freely? The threading on most pedals is designed to let them come unscrewed in the event the spindle bearing on the pedal start to seize.

Not such a terrible thing on a simple platform pedal, but possibly nasty if in traps or clipless.

You can't upload pics till so many posts or something. If you have gmail, then google will host photos for you and you can link to them with the url they give you to share the album with. There are other free pic host sites.

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The pedal itself does turn spin freely? The threading on most pedals is designed to let them come unscrewed in the event the spindle bearing on the pedal start to seize.

Not such a terrible thing on a simple platform pedal, but possibly nasty if in traps or clipless.

You can't upload pics till so many posts or something. If you have gmail, then google will host photos for you and you can link to them with the url they give you to share the album with. There are other free pic host sites.
It keeps telling ne I can't post url's until I have a certain amount of posts.i tried photobuckets but it still won't allow me to post the pics.how am I suppose to solve my problem if I can't show pics?
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If, as suggested above, you mean the crank, the only real solution is a new crank.

Once a crank is ridden loose for any distance, the square hole wears in a way that allows movement as you pedal. That movement may be slight at first, but will worsen over time. The movement will work the bolt loose, allowing more movement. It's a progressive spiral that once started cannot be stopped.

Fortunately, the damage is limited to the crank, since the spindle is so much harder. So a new crank, and a reminder to keep it tight, and retighten immediately at the first hint of looseness.
Yes it is the crank arm.the medal spindle is fine.the square hole of the arm itself looks a little damaged.i saw a pic from another website showing a side by side pic of a damaged one and a normal one.the square is suppose to be even and it seems to be a common problem
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It keeps telling ne I can't post url's until I have a certain amount of posts.i tried photobuckets but it still won't allow me to post the pics.how am I suppose to solve my problem if I can't show pics?
Copy the url and post the link using the link button above the text box you are typing in. It's the one that looks like a bluish globe with a chain link in front of it. Your pic won't appear in the post, but others can click it and go there.
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Yes it is the crank arm.the medal spindle is fine.the square hole of the arm itself looks a little damaged.i saw a pic from another website showing a side by side pic of a damaged one and a normal one.the square is suppose to be even and it seems to be a common problem
yes, it's very common, and unless you're a true craftsman with files, the only cure is a new crank. Just make sure you tighten it to spec, and retighten at the first opportunity if you suspect it's loose.

In all fairness, they don't loosen if they're tightened right in the first place, but as I said, if you ignore a slightly loose crank, it's only a matter of time before you need a new one.
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Copy the url and post the link using the link button above the text box you are typing in. It's the one that looks like a bluish globe with a chain link in front of it. Your pic won't appear in the post, but others can click it and go there.
Nope I can't post any image link whatsoever.
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newbs aren't allowed to post links of any kind. It's an anti-spam policy. I believe the rule is the same as for photos, meaning 10 posts, b\though they may also be a time restriction.

Scroll through the rules and/or forum assistance threads for the exact policy. Or just hang around and post until you get to 10 and see if that does the trick.
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Hmm..... I thought a few months ago when I was brand new I didn't have any trouble with the link button on the toolbar. But I am frequently mistaken and my mind makes things up. I'm sure none of you other long time forum members ever suspected I'd have that issue!!

But just post the url in the text without linking. Or does it not even let you do that? Most of us here are way far smarter than any normal non-biker. And we have the extreme skills needed to figure out how to copy/paste it from your text into the url bar of our browser.

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Hmm..... I thought a few months ago when I was brand new I didn't have any trouble with the link button on the toolbar. But I am frequently mistaken and my mind makes things up. I'm sure none of you ever suspected I'd have that issue!!

But just post the url in the text without linking. Or does it not even let you do that? Most of us here are way far smarter than any normal non-biker. And we have the extreme skills needed to figure out how to copy/paste it from your text into the url bar of our browser.

Besides, I think you only need ten posts to be able to add pics. Unless that has been increased.
Problem is that computers aren't totally ignorant, and they can recognize a link. That feature makes link formatted text turn into a link automatically, which makes most people happy.

However, that same ability to recognize a link even when you don't want it i be works against you.

So you have to outsmart the compute by camouflaging the link.

Remove the Https// or add a space or something and you'll fool the computer. Then add a note to the humans to add the https// back or otherwise fix the "defect" when they copy and paste.
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The threading on most pedals is designed to let them come unscrewed in the event the spindle bearing on the pedal start to seize.


Actually, it's quite the opposite. They're threaded to tighten, not loosen.
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Actually, it's quite the opposite. They're threaded to tighten, not loosen.
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I disagree. Think about which way the pedal turns with respect to it's hole in the arm. Not the way the pedals turn the crank.

But...... there are exceptions. Mostly very old bikes.
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I disagree. Think about which way the pedal turns with respect to it's hole in the arm. Not the way the pedals turn the crank.
You can disagree if you like, but you'll be wrong.

Read Jobst Brandt's very thorough explanation of bearing precession, posted at sheldonbrown.com.

Left side pedal spindles have left hand threads (and right have RH) because bearing precession would loosen them otherwise, in spite of how the forces appear to work. With plain bearings (sometimes called bushings), they would loosen or tighten as you'd expect when looking at them. With ball or roller bearings, it's reversed.
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You should go to your bike and try it. If your bike, like mine, has left thread left pedals, then they tighten by turning the pedal spindle to the left. When pedaling in a forward direction for the bike, the spindle is not turning, but the bearings are traveling clockwise or to the right around that spindle. If the bearings seize, the pedal will loosen.
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You can disagree if you like, but you'll be wrong.

Read Jobst Brandt's very thorough explanation of bearing precession, posted at sheldonbrown.com.

Left side pedal spindles have left hand threads (and right have RH) because bearing precession would loosen them otherwise, in spite of how the forces appear to work. With plain bearings (sometimes called bushings), they would loosen or tighten as you'd expect when looking at them. With ball or roller bearings, it's reversed.
STOP, you two are arguing at cross purposes and not reading each other's posts.


Pedals threads are oriented to keep the pedal tight (not tighten it per se) against the action of precession. However, the same threading ensures that pedals will loosen if the bearing binds.

There are two issues at work here. Precession and bearing friction and whether the pedal stays tight or loosens depends on which is greater. In normal conditions with decent low friction bearings the precession is greater, which is why the pedals are threaded this way and not the opposite. But if a bearing binds the pedal will unscrew.
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FB, you nailed it.

Iride, turns out we were both right, on differing points of the topic. And now we've been ordered to stop.
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FB, you nailed it.

Iride, turns out we were both right, on differing points of the topic. And now we've been ordered to stop.
Not an order, more by way of a wake up call.
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FB, you nailed it.

Iride, turns out we were both right, on differing points of the topic. And now we've been ordered to stop.
Yeah, I suppose we can share the same swingset if principal @FBinNY will let us go out for recess today...


I was actually on the loosing side of my view talking about bearing seizure many many years ago. This was before internet and we were face to face with a bike and a wrench so it didn't take long for me to have to owe my friend a beer. Thankfully beer was easier to get at fifteen back then.
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Yeah, I suppose we can share the same swingset if principal @FBinNY will let us go out for recess today...
No need to wait for recess, feel free to cut classes and hit the swings.

(When I was in college, I cut a class and went to the local hangout bar (drinking age back then was 18). I'm enjoying a beer when in walks my professor, who sees me and walks up asking "cutting class?" Then adds, "me too", and joins me. He then proceeds to hustle me for a few beers via bar bets.)
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I know this is a little late but I had to get on a pc to post these pics and compress them.Anyway, what type of crank arm replacement do I need now?
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Actually, it's quite the opposite. They're threaded to tighten, not loosen.
Well, you are both right. The pedals are threaded to tighten due to fretting precession. But at the same time they are threaded to loosen in case the bearing seizes. There's no contradiction in these statements.
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I know this is a little late but I had to get on a pc to post these pics and compress them.Anyway, what type of crank arm replacement do I need now?

Type: JIS square taper, Standard British thread .. get a new BB with it of appropriate length, as a package deal
buying thru a bike shop, and having it installed by them eliminates tools you need just to take the old one out..

and a different one to put the new , in.
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