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Alfine 11 question
I purchased a Spot Acme that came with the Alfine 11 IGH about six months ago. The hub performs flawlessly except in gears 10 and 11. Going downhill (in Florida that is down a small bridge decline) both gears freewheel. On the flat, gear 10 engages but gear 11 still freewheels. Using the Gates tuning program I am right in the middle of the tension range. It seems like a tuning fix but I could use some guidance.
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Mine started hanging on shifts, I did a lube service and all is good now. It's been reported that some hubs come from the factory a little dry. Knowing what I know now, I'd do a lube service on a brand A11 hub before building the wheel. If I were you, before I did anything I'd drain and refill with Shimano factory A11 oil.
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yea, do its first oil change sooner,
see if its burrs in the parts getting in the way , with a magnet in the drained gear oil..
[I only own a R'off *, but they wear in with the miles,]
they overfill temporarily to flush out the contaminants with a thinner cleaning oil, then re 'fill' with 25ml.
* & other off topic IGH.
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see if its burrs in the parts getting in the way , with a magnet in the drained gear oil..
[I only own a R'off *, but they wear in with the miles,]
they overfill temporarily to flush out the contaminants with a thinner cleaning oil, then re 'fill' with 25ml.
* & other off topic IGH.
.....
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Also needed is the hose and attachment used to drain the oil. This is a one-time purchase, and doesn't cost much. You could probably improvise something, but the oil pretty much has to be sucked out of the hub. It would take forever to drain by gravity, plus it would be a mess.
I did my first oil change using the *official* oil, but considering the expense I looked for a substitute. Long story short, I found a synthetic gear oil (Royal Purple 75W-140... link below) that has similar viscosity and costs a fraction of the Shimano oil. My hub has performed flawlessly for 5,500 miles with oil changes at about 600 mile intervals.
The drained oil always has a small amount of very fine metallic particles which can be attracted by a magnet. I believe this is normal considering all the moving parts inside the hub. It crosses my mind that I could let the used oil stand with a magnet for a long time , then re-use it... it's not like it is exposed to high temperatures or combustion by-products.
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Thank you all so much for the replies to this. As it turns out I needed to travel for business this week so I am in Chicago and Houston but my bike is back in Florida. My intent is to try the tension adjustment suggested (shifting from gear 11 to gear 6 is brilliant) and if that doesn’t correct the issue I will swap the gear oil. The price for the Shimano gear oil and drain kit is outrageous! The Royal Purple option is a good one.
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The reason I chose the synthetic over regular gear oil (such as hypoid) is that the synthetic is safe for "yellow metals" (copper, brass, bronze) which may be found in a bike hub (does anyone know if such metals are present?).
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Mine started hanging on shifts, I did a lube service and all is good now. It's been reported that some hubs come from the factory a little dry. Knowing what I know now, I'd do a lube service on a brand A11 hub before building the wheel. If I were you, before I did anything I'd drain and refill with Shimano factory A11 oil.
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Why cheap out on oil when it voids the warranty? and may or may not work as designed? I just don't get this.
$13.60 for 50 ml https://www.walmart.com/ip/Shimano-S...&wl13=&veh=sem
$13.60 for 50 ml https://www.walmart.com/ip/Shimano-S...&wl13=&veh=sem
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A follow up to my post and another thank you for the outstanding advice. The cable was slightly out of adjustment and the lube was black. Now that I’ve ridden it with fresh lube I agree with the comments made by Mr IGH, I don’t believe that the hub was full when I got the bike. The change in shifting behavior is significant and the issue with gears 10 and 11 are gone.
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The cable adjustment was almost certainly the reason for the mis-shifting, but who cares? I would change the oil after a shorter-than-usual interval for a couple more times. The drained oil should be close to the fresh color with some "sparkle" to it from tiny metallic particles. When I was using the Shimano oil the used oil still had a green tinge to it. Once I switched to the Royal Purple, the drained oil was a tan color.
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IDK about Alfine needing to be full , don't own one ..
Rohloff runs with 25 ml max, so it's damp but not bathed in lube oil..
As I had some leak out onto disc , reducing fill to 15ml seems to be done.
My 0,25 L bottle will last even longer..
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Rohloff runs with 25 ml max, so it's damp but not bathed in lube oil..
As I had some leak out onto disc , reducing fill to 15ml seems to be done.
My 0,25 L bottle will last even longer..
...
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1) extracting the existing oil after running the hub through the gears a couple times,
2) inserting 25 ml of fresh oil as a "rinse",
3) extracting the rinse oil after running the hub through the gears a couple time,
4) inserting 25 ml of fresh oil and buttoning up the hub.
I've found that it takes a while to recover all (or most of) the oil from the hub. This is done with a syringe attached to the hub through a short hose and a metal hose barb that threads into the hub. The whole process takes about a half hour, with lots of time to do other tasks while waiting for the oil to collect at the bottom of the hub, so it's not as much of a waste of time as you might think. I've been able to recover 25 ml of oil if I'm patient enough.
250 ml seems rather a lot for a hub-sized object filled with planetary gears... just saying!
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EDIT: Rohloff also requires 25 ml. https://www.rohloff.de/fileadmin/use...015_03_web.pdf
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Im just not reading the manual all the time..
So you guys can play gotcha. i suppose you are happier for it.
So you guys can play gotcha. i suppose you are happier for it.
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Is the Rohloff threaded connection to the hub the same as for the Alfine 11?
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Dan, I think the "connection" Artmo is referring to is the part that threads into the oil change port. I seem to remember reading somewhere that they are the same size metric thread but can't confirm this.
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EDIT: FWIW, the end of the Alfine oil change connector that threads into the hub has a metric M6-1.0 thread on it. I just measured mine.
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EDIT: FWIW, the end of the Alfine oil change connector that threads into the hub has a metric M6-1.0 thread on it. I just measured mine.
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but after that cogs replacement is as simple as the 3 speed, just not as cheap a cog..
both uses plastic syringes and a screw in hose..
shimano alfine 11 owners manual https://si.shimano.com/pdfs/dm/DM-S7051-02-ENG.pdf
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