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Old 12-10-17, 01:09 PM
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Internally geared hub with drum brakes?

What are the options for this type of setup?

I have to imagine some internally geared hubs have drum brakes. What is the rear spacing for something like this in a hub? They only internally geared hubs i have never dealt with are old Strumey Archer AWs....

I was thinking it would be fun to build up a wheel with one....and mount it on a frame that used to have a coaster brake....and no options for caliper or disc brakes in the rear.
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Old 12-10-17, 01:52 PM
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It is possible to find SA hubs with coaster brakes in them. I have a couple of bikes with them at home. One is a Sears Tote Cycle. I think but could be wrong that Shimano makes or made a IG hub with a drum brake. Roger
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the data is on their site, you did not try looking for it first?

Sturmey-Archer | Internal gear hubs, hub brakes & dynamo lighting
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Shimano has made a IGH with a roller brake, while not a drum rollers are still incased. Then there's SRAM. If I were to be bothered with looking at these companies websites I might know more too. Andy
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Shimano roller brakes go on the end of some of their IG hubs, they don't need brazed on frame/fork fittings ..

Sram is dumping the whole IGH sector, to concentrate on the 1 by 12 stuff and pro road stuff..
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There's two choices and neither are good. Shimano has good IGHs but the not-so-good roller brake. It's action is grabby, you pull hard, wait for a moment then lock up. The other choice is the crappy Sturmey Archer IGH with their excellent drum brake. Choose your poison.

If you can, look at going all the way to a Alfine 11 with disc brake. Esp now that the price is under $400. Or get the Alfine 11, run with rim brakes until you can afford a disc frame.
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I happen to like both the BSR 3 speed, (Lots better than the 90's steel AW3)

and I have had reliable braking from my UK S-A Elite Drum Brake hubs, for 30+ years
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Shimano 8 hubs are no angels either, crapping out before 9,000 miles. 100 year old 3 spd SA hubs can work fine.The only one with drum brake for a 117 mm frame is the SA 3. I just put one on a 1973 CCM. I'll be dead before it stops working. My SA 5w worked great 10,500 miles, as long as it shifted. Maybe the new design 5 spd works better, but is 135 mm. Stay away from the IGH fixed gear goofiness. I haven't heard of any problems with the SA 8, of which there aren't many in use either. Whichever hub you get, switch the inside to an oil bath after a year or so.
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Originally Posted by Andrew R Stewart View Post
Shimano has made a IGH with a roller brake, while not a drum rollers are still incased.
Actually, the roller brake *is* a drum; the rollers are activated by a cam to press shoes into the inside of a drum.

Originally Posted by fietsbob View Post
Shimano roller brakes go on the end of some of their IG hubs, they don't need brazed on frame/fork fittings.
Shimano Nexus 7 and 8-speed hubs have splines for attaching roller brake modules on the non-drive side under a cap. I'm not sure about Alfine hubs; I think the 11-speed can accommodate a disc, but you need the frame mounts for it.

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Shimano has good IGHs but the not-so-good roller brake. It's action is grabby, you pull hard, wait for a moment then lock up.
This has not been my experience with two bikes, one with a Nexus-7 and one with a Nexus-8, both with roller brake modules. These are not the greatest brakes, but they are perfectly good for rear brakes. I've had no grabbiness at all. They need greasing every now and then. No more rear rim wear though!

Originally Posted by GamblerGORD53 View Post
Shimano 8 hubs are no angels either, crapping out before 9,000 miles.
My experience with Shimano IGHs has not reflected this either. One of my Nexus 8-speeds has over 10,000 miles on it with no apparent wear. An annual dip in gear oil is the total maintenance. I have 2 other Nexus hubs, another 8-speed and a 7-speed, both dead reliable though with fewer miles. I wrecked a Nexus 7-speed years ago by a bit of excessively aggressive cleaning; water got into the hub and rusted the bearings... *operator error*.
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yea, Alfine offer a disc brake mount where Nexus as you say offer the roller brake interface.

Sturmey Archer Sun Race have disc drum and coaster brake, as their website shows.
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In your experience, @Mr IGH , what's crappy about the Sturmey Archer IGHs?
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I have a Sachs Torpedo 7 with drum brake. I've been pleased with the gearing and the brake is predictable.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
In your experience, @Mr IGH , what's crappy about the Sturmey Archer IGHs?
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I have two bikes with SA drum/IGH hubs. I have the X-RD3, and the XL-RD5(W). Both work quite well! The 3-speed is on a city bike frame that was originally built as a coaster brake equipped single-speed with 120mm dropout spacing, and the 5-speed is on a vintage steel road bike frame.
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Originally Posted by noglider View Post
In your experience, @Mr IGH, what's crappy about the Sturmey Archer IGHs?
Bad experiences lead to biases, which may or may not be founded in reality.

Nevertheless, I have to say that I have been well satisfied by my SA XRD-5(W). Close to 13,000 miles on it now with very few issues. I commute in all weather and can recommend drum brakes without hesitation.
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Sturmey-Archer has some offers of drum brakes with IGH. They might be heavy, but they are still being made. That speak volumes about their dependabilty.

BTW, respected German recumbent manufacturer HP Velotechnik has replaced their SRAM 3-speed hub for the Sturmey-Archer one.
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