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Old 05-06-18, 10:24 AM
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Campagnolo 10 speed chain problem

I have to install my Campy 10 speed chain back onto my Campy-10 equipped bike. I'm trying to use a KMC MissingLink 10CR "master link to join the ends, inner link to master link to inner link. Problem is I'm having trouble engaging the master link by compressing it enough to let the pins engage into the latching slots on the opposite plate.

I don't have a master link pliers. I'm looking for one locally, but I wonder - does this KMC link actually fit on real Campy chains, or is it really only good on KMC chains that are compatible with Campy 5.9 mm chains?

What's the best way to do what I want to do? The real goal is not to succeed with the KMC gadget, but to get my chain on this bike without spending another million bucks (lol!).
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I'd think that putting the link at the top, where it's not on the cassette or chainwheel and applying pressure to the pedals while the brake is engaged will do the trick if it is that difficult to lock the halves together. When you use the term compressing, it sounds to me like you are doing it wrong. You want to pull on the other links of the chain that the missinglink is joining.
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Originally Posted by Iride01 View Post
I'd think that putting the link at the top, where it's not on the cassette or chainwheel and applying pressure to the pedals while the brake is engaged will do the trick if it is that difficult to lock the halves together. When you use the term compressing, it sounds to me like you are doing it wrong. You want to pull on the other links of the chain that the missinglink is joining.
The KMC instruction (well, at least the Park Tool instruction) says to squeeze the link plates together AND pull them apart. This is a three-handed job, so I am deficient. But the latching feature seems to be designed for that to happen.
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KMC Missing Link connectors do work on Campy chains (so long as you have the right type & speed), and the technique Iride01 described to click the link into place works well. Join the link in the upper loop of chain, between the crankset and rear wheel. Get it lined up by hand so that the side plates start to engage the slot machined into each pin. Holding the rear brake (or just holding the rear wheel) and attempting to turn the crankset puts tension on the chain, pulling the two halves of the connecting link in opposite directions and snapping them into place.
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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
I have to install my Campy 10 speed chain back onto my Campy-10 equipped bike. I'm trying to use a KMC MissingLink 10CR "master link to join the ends, inner link to master link to inner link. Problem is I'm having trouble engaging the master link by compressing it enough to let the pins engage into the latching slots on the opposite plate.

I don't have a master link pliers. I'm looking for one locally, but I wonder - does this KMC link actually fit on real Campy chains, or is it really only good on KMC chains that are compatible with Campy 5.9 mm chains?

What's the best way to do what I want to do? The real goal is not to succeed with the KMC gadget, but to get my chain on this bike without spending another million bucks (lol!).
Campagnolo really don't recommend that you join the chain this way - they'd sooner have it correctly riveted - and I've no intention of igniting that whole moany "why do Campag have to be so difficult" debate here - the number of failed Campag (or Shimano, for that matter) chains that are properly joined is vanishingly small, whereas I have a whole collection of failed "missing links" I tip out of my toolbox why people ask me "why" ...

However, if you are insistent that you *must* use a KMC link to join the 10s chain, you need to bear in mind, as SkyDog implies in his post, that there are two widths - one to suit Campagnolo chains and one to suit Shimano chains (since they are different overall widths). Both are tight to close. Iride01 & SkyDog75 have the right closing technique.

Just check you have the right one before you start exerting a lot of force ... it will close with a positive "snap" as the non-reuse tabs get over-ridden, rather than it being a bitwise, "are we nearly there yet" struggle to close it, which will probably ultimately fail in any case.
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Originally Posted by gfk_velo View Post
Campagnolo really don't recommend that you join the chain this way - they'd sooner have it correctly riveted - and I've no intention of igniting that whole moany "why do Campag have to be so difficult" debate here - the number of failed Campag (or Shimano, for that matter) chains that are properly joined is vanishingly small, whereas I have a whole collection of failed "missing links" I tip out of my toolbox why people ask me "why" ...

However, if you are insistent that you *must* use a KMC link to join the 10s chain, you need to bear in mind, as SkyDog implies in his post, that there are two widths - one to suit Campagnolo chains and one to suit Shimano chains (since they are different overall widths). Both are tight to close. Iride01 & SkyDog75 have the right closing technique.

Just check you have the right one before you start exerting a lot of force ... it will close with a positive "snap" as the non-reuse tabs get over-ridden, rather than it being a bitwise, "are we nearly there yet" struggle to close it, which will probably ultimately fail in any case.
Ok, I do have the proper KMC link. I'm not married to it, it looked to be the easier solution. Is there a chain tool alternative to Campy, to drive in the Campy pins? It's a 10 sp Record chain running on Record chainrings and with a lower Campy cassette. The Park tool I have is CT-3. It doesn't have any of the locator and clamping features that the Campy one has. The cost of assembling chains with KMC links is pretty low even with a master link pliers, but I have several modern Campy bikes in-house, and will possibly build up another one or two. So if I buy the Campy tool, will the current one work for 8, 10, and 11 speed road groups? I have one 11 sp, one 8 sp, and two 10 sp bikes in the house now.

This thread is leaning toward a master class in Campy!
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I always used Connex links with Campagnolo 10 speed chains. They don't click together, they are just held by chain tension. So they are extremely easy to install and remove. I think there were two 10 speed widths, regular and ultra narrow? But now there's only one choice.

I quit using them on 11 speed Campagnolo when they were extremely expensive (their 11 speed price is somewhat more reasonable now.)

Sram Powerlocks work great on both Shimano and Campagnolo 11 speed chains.
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Originally Posted by Road Fan View Post
Ok, I do have the proper KMC link. I'm not married to it, it looked to be the easier solution. Is there a chain tool alternative to Campy, to drive in the Campy pins? It's a 10 sp Record chain running on Record chainrings and with a lower Campy cassette. The Park tool I have is CT-3. It doesn't have any of the locator and clamping features that the Campy one has. The cost of assembling chains with KMC links is pretty low even with a master link pliers, but I have several modern Campy bikes in-house, and will possibly build up another one or two. So if I buy the Campy tool, will the current one work for 8, 10, and 11 speed road groups? I have one 11 sp, one 8 sp, and two 10 sp bikes in the house now.

This thread is leaning toward a master class in Campy!
I'll check with the factory on inter-compatibility of the 11s tool with 10s and report back. I am there this week ...
It is inter-compatible with the new 12s chain so it's possible that might be the case also with 10s.

8s is less of an issue - there's not so much need for the chain "hold down" with the far lower release forces required to drive the rivets and of course there is no peening to be done - so although Campagnolo used to recommend the chain pliers, they didn't make (as far as I recall, anyway) the use of the pliers a condition of warranty.
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