Go Back  Bike Forums > Bike Forums > Bicycle Mechanics
Reload this Page >

What solvent to use for chain cleaning

Search
Notices
Bicycle Mechanics Broken bottom bracket? Tacoed wheel? If you're having problems with your bicycle, or just need help fixing a flat, drop in here for the latest on bicycle mechanics & bicycle maintenance.

What solvent to use for chain cleaning

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old 06-04-18, 03:07 PM
  #26  
Junior Member
 
Join Date: Oct 2006
Posts: 185
Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 57 Post(s)
Liked 19 Times in 11 Posts
Originally Posted by caloso
None. Lube, wipe, ride, repeat.
biker222 is offline  
Old 06-04-18, 03:18 PM
  #27  
Senior Member
 
Troul's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 2013
Location: Mich
Posts: 7,384

Bikes: RSO E-tire dropper fixie brifter

Mentioned: 0 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6 Post(s)
Liked 2,966 Times in 1,915 Posts
i've been fortunate enough to find a lot of brand new never opened kmc chains that makes it not cost effective to clean the chain for the time being. Labor + parts = time + money, so for the amount of time it'd take to clean it to my likings, I'll swap it out when I deem it in need of cleaning or servicing.

My past methods of cleaning were an array ways that ranged from a hot transmission oil bath in a supersonic agitator bin, to using a sealed, yet not air tight, container using a filtered concoction of diesel based solution fed thru a pump spraying across the chain. After being hung dried, I'd wipe the chain down using a teflon enhanced dry lube.
Worked ok, but nothing beats a fresh chain that's reassuring my ride will not be abruptly halted by a failed chain or clicking/slipping worn chain.... or just a noisy slap from a link or few.
__________________
-Oh Hey!
Troul is offline  
Old 06-04-18, 03:24 PM
  #28  
On Holiday
 
Hoopdriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,014

Bikes: A bunch of old steel bikes

Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 394 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 14 Times in 12 Posts
I usually avoid chain care threads, but what the heck. I wipe, relube, wipe, relube, times n then replace the chain, but sometimes I remove the chain and throw it in an ultrasonic cleaner with Simple Green solution, then lube. I used to use a variety of concoctions for lube but have stuck with Chain-L for the past two years.

To answer the OP, whenever I remove a chain for cleaning in the ultrasonic cleaner, I first shake it up in a plastic jug with some mineral spirits. I reuse the mineral spirits by letting it settle and then decanting into another jug for the next use. Citrus cleaner works ok too, but not quite as well.

Pay attention to the advice laid out by@cyccommute. He knows what he is talking about.
Hoopdriver is offline  
Old 06-04-18, 07:49 PM
  #29  
Senior Member
 
Gresp15C's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2014
Posts: 3,893
Mentioned: 20 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1062 Post(s)
Liked 665 Times in 421 Posts
The only time that my chains really get nasty is in the winter, commuting on salted roads, and I admit that I haven't found a great solution for that problem yet. To compound the problem, my work area is pretty unpleasant during the winter, so I probably don't attend to maintenance as well as I should.
Gresp15C is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 08:07 AM
  #30  
Mad bike riding scientist
 
cyccommute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 27,362

Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones

Mentioned: 152 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6218 Post(s)
Liked 4,217 Times in 2,364 Posts
Originally Posted by Asi
A jar of diesel-gasoline mix is for me (thanks to my wife i have a full tank of this mixture.. 50L with 30L diesel, 20L gasoline).. works decent, the diesel provides some kind of lubing. I do this for my mtb and road bikes or any bike with a quick-link. And apply plenty of lube and wipe the excess afterwards.
Don't. Just don't.

While the diesel drops the flashpoint of gasoline, it still doesn't drop it enough. Gasoline is toxic and dangerous to work with. It's flashpoint...the temperature at which a particular organic compound gives off sufficient vapor to ignite in air...is -40°F. That means that on even the coldest days, it can ignite. It's just not worth dealing with.
__________________
Stuart Black
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!



cyccommute is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 08:13 AM
  #31  
Mad bike riding scientist
 
cyccommute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 27,362

Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones

Mentioned: 152 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6218 Post(s)
Liked 4,217 Times in 2,364 Posts
Originally Posted by Gresp15C
The only time that my chains really get nasty is in the winter, commuting on salted roads, and I admit that I haven't found a great solution for that problem yet. To compound the problem, my work area is pretty unpleasant during the winter, so I probably don't attend to maintenance as well as I should.
That might be the one instance where a water based solution is warranted or a trip to the carwash on a warmish day. The salt doesn't do anything good for aluminum parts either so rinsing the whole bike once in a while is a good idea.

I've taken to using KMC ECO PROTEQ chains to cut down on the chain rusting due to winter salt. The protective coating keeps the chain from rusting due to the salt.
__________________
Stuart Black
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!



cyccommute is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 10:12 AM
  #32  
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 40,502

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 511 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7348 Post(s)
Liked 2,463 Times in 1,433 Posts
I've read enough warnings about gasoline to know that it's really stupid, and I won't even try it. There is so much risk and so little reward. Even if you think the risk is low enough for you, there is no compelling reason whatsoever to prefer it.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 02:40 PM
  #33  
Asi
Engineer
 
Asi's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 2010
Location: Bucharest, Romania, Europe
Posts: 591

Bikes: 1989 Krapf (with Dura-ace) road bike, 1973 Sputnik (made by XB3) road bike , 1961 Peugeot fixed gear, 2010 Trek 4400

Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 38 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 0 Times in 0 Posts
Originally Posted by cyccommute
Don't. Just don't.

While the diesel drops the flashpoint of gasoline, it still doesn't drop it enough. Gasoline is toxic and dangerous to work with. It's flashpoint...the temperature at which a particular organic compound gives off sufficient vapor to ignite in air...is -40°F. That means that on even the coldest days, it can ignite. It's just not worth dealing with.
Thank you for concerns. They are valid enough for most users.
Yet with care and knowledge many things can be safely manipulated. I would not recommend anyone to mess with anything if they are not comfortable doing so (and knowledgeable and disciplined as well). So i work fairly often with gasoline and other combustible substances and feel very comfortable about working with such substances for dipping a chain in a jar. More dangerous stuff is when measuring the RON and MON of gasoline in direct fashion. (compress a chamber with vapor until it detonates. Final pressure and temperature before self combustion is a direct indication for MON and RON).

There are several takes on dangerous materials: Post a big scarecrow in front so anyone will hear will run away (like asbestos.. yet back in the day was used everywhere without much care). A very good strategy to stop clueless people engaging in a process that is above their head and may have not enough knowledge what to do or don't when manipulating certain materials. And after learning do-s and don't-s, manipulating dangerous materials can be made manageable (a lot of room for accidents, requires more attention not to create an accident but with proper precautions you can make a living by handling nitroglycerine all day in a factory and reach retirement alive with all limbs - this is done only with proper training and environment and tools and ... but it can be made "safely").
Asi is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 03:25 PM
  #34  
Mad bike riding scientist
 
cyccommute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 27,362

Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones

Mentioned: 152 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6218 Post(s)
Liked 4,217 Times in 2,364 Posts
Originally Posted by Asi
Thank you for concerns. They are valid enough for most users.
Yet with care and knowledge many things can be safely manipulated. I would not recommend anyone to mess with anything if they are not comfortable doing so (and knowledgeable and disciplined as well). So i work fairly often with gasoline and other combustible substances and feel very comfortable about working with such substances for dipping a chain in a jar. More dangerous stuff is when measuring the RON and MON of gasoline in direct fashion. (compress a chamber with vapor until it detonates. Final pressure and temperature before self combustion is a direct indication for MON and RON).
I have lots and lots of knowledge and experience working with hazardous material...37 years as a chemist to be exact. I wouldn't recommend anyone working or "manipulating" gasoline unless they felt very uncomfortable with it and could do so in a very controlled environment. If I had a $10,000 fume hood with fire suppression, I would still not feel all that comfortable handling gasoline...especially enough to clean a chain. If you feel comfortable using gasoline for cleaning chains, you aren't knowledgable or disciplined.

Originally Posted by Asi
There are several takes on dangerous materials: Post a big scarecrow in front so anyone will hear will run away (like asbestos.. yet back in the day was used everywhere without much care). A very good strategy to stop clueless people engaging in a process that is above their head and may have not enough knowledge what to do or don't when manipulating certain materials. And after learning do-s and don't-s, manipulating dangerous materials can be made manageable (a lot of room for accidents, requires more attention not to create an accident but with proper precautions you can make a living by handling nitroglycerine all day in a factory and reach retirement alive with all limbs - this is done only with proper training and environment and tools and ... but it can be made "safely").
People couldn't...and shouldn't...be handling something like nitroglycerine all day in their garage. People shouldn't be handling open containers of gasoline in their garage either.

Take the lesson from asbestos. Yes, we used to use it everywhere without much care. Then we found out that wasn't a good idea because it caused more problems than it solved. So we stopped using it and started using other materials that are safer and, frankly, better without all the downsides.

The same can be said of using gasoline as a solvent. Yes, you might be able to use it but there are far better alternatives that are safer and easier to handle. Mineral spirits is still flammable but it takes a whole lot more to ignite it. You can still turn yourself into a human torch but it's a lot harder to do so.
__________________
Stuart Black
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!



cyccommute is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 03:32 PM
  #35  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Feb 2009
Posts: 6,660
Mentioned: 16 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 582 Post(s)
Liked 171 Times in 138 Posts
Originally Posted by evan326
Put plenty of butter on mine.
davidad is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 03:58 PM
  #36  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Sep 2011
Posts: 4,764
Mentioned: 28 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1975 Post(s)
Liked 232 Times in 173 Posts
Originally Posted by onyerleft
I work with mineral spirits as part of my job (both the odorless ("OMS") and non-odorless ("MS") kind). That doesn't make me the world's #1 expert on mineral spirits, but it does make me familiar with its properties. And being familiar with its properties, as well as its toxicity, there is no way in hell that I would use MS/OMS to clean my chains. Why use toxic substances when non-toxic substances will do the job? Even OMS, while less toxic than MS, is still toxic.
I mean, its toxic if you happen to drink it, but otherwise there is very little toxicity, just look at the MSDS https://www.sigmaaldrich.com/catalog...g=en&region=US
redlude97 is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 04:41 PM
  #37  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 261
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
If you have the chain off the bike you can use warm water and lots of white wash powder (laundry), a good soak, move it around in the water and maybe replace the soapy water and repeat if the chain is very grimy. Rinse off with clean warm water. It works surprisingly well, low cost and it's very little to worry about health wise. It will dry clean and ready for reapplication of dry lube.

I tend to use wet lubes, and if the chain gets to be a bit dirty, I use spray-can oil (TF2 Teflon oil), whipe off and do it a couple of times, it leaves the chain reasonably clean. Then I go back to Finish Line Ceramic Wet lube. It's easy and simple, but the spray-can oil cost a bit.
Mickey2 is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 05:18 PM
  #38  
Lucille
 
Join Date: Jan 2011
Location: Texas
Posts: 449
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 133 Post(s)
Liked 65 Times in 35 Posts
Originally Posted by Mickey2
If you have the chain off the bike you can use warm water.
Top rack dishwasher safe?
Lucillle is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 05:18 PM
  #39  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Location: Redmond, WA
Posts: 651

Bikes: '87 Centurion Ironman, '86 Nishiki Tri-A, '84 Centurion PT15

Mentioned: 10 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 244 Post(s)
Liked 179 Times in 111 Posts
Recently I did clean the chain out of the bike after some 600 miles.
Just sink into a bowl with minerals spirits and massage around. Repeat. Twice the color became pretty dark.
Dry on sun.
Put chain back and lube.
Very happy with outcome.
phtomita is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 06:51 PM
  #40  
On Holiday
 
Hoopdriver's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Posts: 1,014

Bikes: A bunch of old steel bikes

Mentioned: 14 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 394 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 14 Times in 12 Posts
Originally Posted by onyerleft
I work with mineral spirits as part of my job (both the odorless ("OMS") and non-odorless ("MS") kind). That doesn't make me the world's #1 expert on mineral spirits, but it does make me familiar with its properties. And being familiar with its properties, as well as its toxicity, there is no way in hell that I would use MS/OMS to clean my chains. Why use toxic substances when non-toxic substances will do the job? Even OMS, while less toxic than MS, is still toxic.
You are very correct that substituting a less hazardous solvent is the most prudent approach; however make sure you are objective in evaluating the actual hazard and not using on subjective factors like odor, irritation potential, etc. to form opinions. There have been situations where such substitutions resulted in greater hazard (like using gasoline). A large part of my career involved reviewing relative hazards of chemical materials and I have to say that most people have very little objectivity on the matter. In a large part, this was a function of available info being scanty, hard to understand, or ambiguous. With the adoption of the Globally Harmonized System for classification of chemical hazards, the amount and availability of objective information is way better now. One of the better sources is the European Chemicals Agency who maintain an extensive database. Keep in mind that 1) toxicity is only one component of hazard - physical hazards like flammability are just as important and 2) toxicity is not only defined by effect, but also route of entry and also which organ systems are targets for harm. And with agents that may have multiple toxic effects, the one with the most severe outcome is not necessarily the most probable effect.

A bit longer of a post than I intended, sorry. The bottom line is that mineral spirits are not all that bad if you take proper precautions. I think it's more effective than citrus-based solvents and is recyclable. Make your own choice though, but make it wisely.
Hoopdriver is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 08:45 PM
  #41  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Ottawa,ON,Canada
Posts: 1,272

Bikes: Schwinn Miranda 1990, Giant TCX 2 2012

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 486 Post(s)
Liked 10 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by noglider
I rarely clean my chains. It's too much work. When I do, I use mineral spirits. But by the time I need to clean my chain, the chain is half worn, so I replace it. This is bad for the environment, but this is my one indulgence in waste. I'm very good at reducing, reusing, and recycling.

Sometimes I clean my bike with furniture polish in a can. It's a wax/water mixture. It can clean a slightly dirty chain but not a very dirty chain. I clean the cassette cogs with it, too, and I clean the jockey wheels, since the gunk there gets back on the chain.

I oil my chain with Chain L or some other heavy oil. It seems not to attract much dirt, and I don't have to apply it often. Thin lubricants such as ProLink require frequent application.
I don't know about you but where I live, there is always someone picking up junk metals left on the curb on garbage day. I simply leave my old worn chain by the sidewalk and it's gone by the evening.
SylvainG is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 08:52 PM
  #42  
Senior Member
 
Slightspeed's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Los Angeles, CA
Posts: 2,249

Bikes: 1964 Legnano Roma Olympiade, 1973 Raleigh Super Course, 1978 Raleigh Super Course, 1978 Peugeot PR10, 2002 Specialized Allez, 2007 Specialized Roubaix, 2013 Culprit Croz Blade

Mentioned: 68 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 741 Post(s)
Liked 818 Times in 421 Posts
99 cent store citrus degreaser. I have a finish line wheely brushy thingy that clips on the chain, but just spraying the stuff on an old rag works pretty well, working the chain back and forth. I save old Sonicare tooth brush heads and scrub in between links as needed. I use Finish Line dry lube too.
Slightspeed is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 08:53 PM
  #43  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Apr 2017
Location: Ottawa,ON,Canada
Posts: 1,272

Bikes: Schwinn Miranda 1990, Giant TCX 2 2012

Mentioned: 15 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 486 Post(s)
Liked 10 Times in 7 Posts
Originally Posted by wingless
The "easy" way to eliminate most of the chain crud is dish soap in a heated ultrasonic cleaner. The soapy water gets black almost immediately. I repeat this step until the water stops getting black. This is fast and easy.

If waxing is the end result, then I put mineral spirits and the chain into a jar, then into the ultrasonic cleaner. I then repeat that step w/ denatured alcohol.

The internal and external chain parts are then very clean, ready for wax.
Ho do you discard that black soapy water?
SylvainG is offline  
Old 06-05-18, 10:40 PM
  #44  
Senior Member
 
xiaoman1's Avatar
 
Join Date: Mar 2014
Location: City of Angels
Posts: 4,870

Bikes: A few too many

Mentioned: 42 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 1364 Post(s)
Liked 2,180 Times in 1,183 Posts
Originally Posted by davidad
Put plenty of butter on mine.
I'm in....no salt please!
__________________
"EVERY PERSON IS GUILTY OF ALL THE GOOD THEY DID NOT DO"
Voltaire

Voice recognition may sometimes create odd spelling and grammatical errors



xiaoman1 is offline  
Old 06-06-18, 04:33 AM
  #45  
Senior Member
 
Join Date: Aug 2013
Posts: 261
Mentioned: 1 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 24 Post(s)
Likes: 0
Liked 1 Time in 1 Post
Originally Posted by Lucillle
Top rack dishwasher safe?
LOL, no, it will probably be a bit rusty when it comes out, and dishwasher might need a clean itself. Just soak it in an old plastic container, unless you leave it for long, (like over night) there will be no traces of rust.
Mickey2 is offline  
Old 06-06-18, 08:24 AM
  #46  
Mad bike riding scientist
 
cyccommute's Avatar
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Location: Denver, CO
Posts: 27,362

Bikes: Some silver ones, a red one, a black and orange one, and a few titanium ones

Mentioned: 152 Post(s)
Tagged: 1 Thread(s)
Quoted: 6218 Post(s)
Liked 4,217 Times in 2,364 Posts
Originally Posted by onyerleft
I work with mineral spirits as part of my job (both the odorless ("OMS") and non-odorless ("MS") kind). That doesn't make me the world's #1 expert on mineral spirits, but it does make me familiar with its properties. And being familiar with its properties, as well as its toxicity, there is no way in hell that I would use MS/OMS to clean my chains. Why use toxic substances when non-toxic substances will do the job? Even OMS, while less toxic than MS, is still toxic.
Cleaning a chain in mineral spirits is a 30 second job in a closed container. There's no need for ultrasonic baths nor for shaking it for hours or even letting the chain soak overnight. The only real exposure to mineral spirits is for the time it takes to put the chain in the jar, time to take it out and the time it takes to find somewhere (outside) to let the mineral spirits evaporate. If you have to use it in an industrial setting or on an 8 hour shift, by all means, you should limit your exposure. But when used at home...in a well ventilated area (like outside), the toxicity is minimal. From this article

They are dangerous if ingested most importantly because they can be aspired into the lungs. Inhalation of higher concentrations of Mineral Spirits can result in respiratory irritation or even pulmonary edema. The possibility of any severe health effects due to exposure to Mineral Spirits is remote under normal use but care should always be taken to protect skin and lungs where use is lengthy or extreme. It should be noted that outside the U.S., Mineral Spirits are generally called White Spirits.
__________________
Stuart Black
Plan Epsilon Around Lake Michigan in the era of Covid
Old School…When It Wasn’t Ancient bikepacking
Gold Fever Three days of dirt in Colorado
Pokin' around the Poconos A cold ride around Lake Erie
Dinosaurs in Colorado A mountain bike guide to the Purgatory Canyon dinosaur trackway
Solo Without Pie. The search for pie in the Midwest.
Picking the Scablands. Washington and Oregon, 2005. Pie and spiders on the Columbia River!



cyccommute is offline  
Old 06-06-18, 08:48 AM
  #47  
Steel is real
 
le mans's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2014
Location: Australia
Posts: 772

Bikes: Custom - Record Vortex 8 spd Nexus & Mistral Le Mans 3 spd Shimano. Giant Kronos. Raliegh Single Speed

Mentioned: 4 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 157 Post(s)
Liked 17 Times in 14 Posts
any dirty chains i roll it up & soak in degreaser {automotive stuff i buy in 4 litre bottles] for a few hours in a small container, brush both sides

once i think it had enough i blow it off - compressed air, and she's clean as a whistle

plus it leaves an oily film, so can oil the chain properly any time it suits you when it's fitted to the bike

Last edited by le mans; 06-06-18 at 08:59 AM.
le mans is offline  
Old 06-06-18, 09:39 AM
  #48  
aka Tom Reingold
 
noglider's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2009
Location: New York, NY, and High Falls, NY, USA
Posts: 40,502

Bikes: 1962 Rudge Sports, 1971 Raleigh Super Course, 1971 Raleigh Pro Track, 1974 Raleigh International, 1975 Viscount Fixie, 1982 McLean, 1996 Lemond (Ti), 2002 Burley Zydeco tandem

Mentioned: 511 Post(s)
Tagged: 0 Thread(s)
Quoted: 7348 Post(s)
Liked 2,463 Times in 1,433 Posts
@SylvainG, our municipalities has us throw out metals separately, and I believe they get money for turning in the scrap metal, so I don't have to help the scrap collector unless I want to. It doesn't matter, either way. I'm happy for the town or city to get the money for it.
__________________
Tom Reingold, tom@noglider.com
New York City and High Falls, NY
Blogs: The Experienced Cyclist; noglider's ride blog

“When man invented the bicycle he reached the peak of his attainments.” — Elizabeth West, US author

Please email me rather than PM'ing me. Thanks.
noglider is offline  
Related Topics
Thread
Thread Starter
Forum
Replies
Last Post
puma1552
General Cycling Discussion
12
08-02-18 08:18 AM
Jaz123
Bicycle Mechanics
20
11-30-15 01:12 PM
Tandem Tom
Bicycle Mechanics
38
11-09-12 08:54 AM
DCwom
Bicycle Mechanics
1
06-12-12 09:33 AM
Gege-Bubu
Bicycle Mechanics
24
09-05-10 09:33 AM

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are Off



Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.