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Old 07-06-18, 09:30 AM
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Fake Shimano ST-EF51 3x8

So almost a year ago I bought some shimano st-ef51 on ebay. 3 and 8 speed, I kept the bike at home for almost a year and then started using at to go to-from work as a daily driver. I work in DC, so there's a shop there. The only issues I had when rebuilding the bike was the front derailleur would have a hard time shifting between 2nd and 3rd (largest gear). I figured it was something minor and needed some slight adjustment. Anyway, I went into a bike shop in DC and when the guy looked at it, he said something was a little fishy about my shifters. He said they looked fake. Yep, he took off a blue shimano box of my same shifters and compared them end-to-end the plastic looked different, then pivot riviets looked different, everything did. He said it was rare that he saw this, but apparently there are fake Shimano compoenents out there. The issue I had with the shifting had to do with the low-quality "catch" inside the shifther. He tried the best he could to fix it by filing down some components inside the shifter, but it was built really lose inside. So now I need to find replacements (genuine).
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Old 07-06-18, 10:11 AM
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If you buy from a bike shop you have a better provenance of where it came from.
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Old 07-06-18, 10:12 AM
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Post some photos.
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Old 07-06-18, 10:27 AM
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Post some photos.

This is the exact ebay auction picture. I searched my ebay listing and found the seller, he still sells them. I'm faily sure they are fake.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/mr-ride-SHI...gAAOSwJdZZbyyZ

his name is mr_ride.
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Old 07-06-18, 10:59 AM
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Post pictures of the one you actually received.
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Old 07-06-18, 11:20 AM
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Post pictures of the one you actually received.
I will try to get some pics Monday, the bike is parked at work. But they are pretty much the same as the pic. The mechanic asked me did they come in a Shimano box, I realized they didn't.
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Old 07-06-18, 11:23 AM
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Another thing, the red indicator sticker inside one of them had fell off.
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Old 07-06-18, 01:06 PM
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Looks like another buyer from "mr_ride" reported in the product ratings that the shifters looked "bootleg". Maybe contact the seller and let them know of the issue. Possibly they're not aware or if they are report them to Ebay and Shimano. It may sound extreme to report them but plenty of counterfeiters out there ripping off consumers and mfrs. and as you have found it's no bargain. Check out the bike frames for sale. You can easily end up with a fake Colnago, Pinarello, etc.
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Old 07-06-18, 01:28 PM
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Looks like another buyer from "mr_ride" reported in the product ratings that the shifters looked "bootleg". Maybe contact the seller and let them know of the issue. Possibly they're not aware or if they are report them to Ebay and Shimano. It may sound extreme to report them but plenty of counterfeiters out there ripping off consumers and mfrs. and as you have found it's no bargain. Check out the bike frames for sale. You can easily end up with a fake Colnago, Pinarello, etc.
I never even considered someone would "bootleg" shimano shifters. They are not expensive retail, not like 800 or something like that, where it would be worth to counterfeit. I guess I know now. I had already contacted the seller indicating they were fake, but he hasn't responded back yet. I did report him to ebay, yeah I considered he might not know, but he's been selling them for a while to not know. Also if you google that model and say fake, they are selling them on alibaba and another website reports having them with a fake rating of A
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Old 07-06-18, 02:14 PM
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Seems to me someone posted here - or maybe on Amazon - about a supposedly Shimano freewheel or cassette he bought that was of surprisingly low quality.
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Old 07-06-18, 02:49 PM
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Seems to me someone posted here - or maybe on Amazon - about a supposedly Shimano freewheel or cassette he bought that was of surprisingly low quality.
The comment is at Amazon. Search for Shimano 7-Speed Cassette, then scroll down to Shimano 7-Speed Mountain Bike Cassette CS-HG200-7 and see the first customer review. He found something that worked better at his LBS.
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I own three sets ST-EF51 brake/shift levers (one 3x8 and two 3x7). I'm pretty familiar with them and like their feel and performance (and value!). The shifters in the picture generally look legit to me, save for one detail. See the two screws retaining the plastic cover on the 3-speed shifter (on the right side of the photo)? They have rounded heads, which is consistent with each of mine. However, look at the 8-speed shifter, on the left side of the photo. The screws appear to have flat heads, which would not be correct for these shifters. It could just be the lighting or angle of the photo, but that's about the only thing that would raise my eyebrows.

The plastic on the shift levers looks correct, they both have silver brake cable barrel adjusters, and only the 3-speed shifter has the shift cable barrel adjuster. The 8-speed shifter has little nubs that make it seem like a barrel adjuster could or should be there, but it's not there from the factory. On the underside, you should see a small decal with the Shimano logo, an ST-EF51 marking, and a 22.2mm marking (for the clamp diameter).

There are indeed a lot of Shimano parts (even cheap ones) shipping from Asia on eBay. I've bought one set of ST-EF51s from a seller who said they are US-based, but the language in the communication and in the (unmarked) packaging was clearly poorly-translated Chinese. I found nothing on the units I received that indicates they're counterfeits. I have them on a 1997 Trek 750 and they work pretty well.
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Originally Posted by hokiefyd View Post
I own three sets ST-EF51 brake/shift levers (one 3x8 and two 3x7). I'm pretty familiar with them and like their feel and performance (and value!). The shifters in the picture generally look legit to me, save for one detail. See the two screws retaining the plastic cover on the 3-speed shifter (on the right side of the photo)? They have rounded heads, which is consistent with each of mine. However, look at the 8-speed shifter, on the left side of the photo. The screws appear to have flat heads, which would not be correct for these shifters. It could just be the lighting or angle of the photo, but that's about the only thing that would raise my eyebrows.

The plastic on the shift levers looks correct, they both have silver brake cable barrel adjusters, and only the 3-speed shifter has the shift cable barrel adjuster. The 8-speed shifter has little nubs that make it seem like a barrel adjuster could or should be there, but it's not there from the factory. On the underside, you should see a small decal with the Shimano logo, an ST-EF51 marking, and a 22
Yes, but the photo isn't of the one he received, it is from the listing he bought it from. They very well could have use a picture of a legitimate shifter in the listing.
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Yes, but the photo isn't of the one he received, it is from the listing he bought it from. They very well could have use a picture of a legitimate shifter in the listing.
Yes, I understand. It sounds like the original poster may have difficulty getting a picture of his actual shifters, so I was offering some context based on my experience with these and comparing that with the pictured shifters so, if he's unable to photograph his, he can at least check them against the picture. It sounds like his local bike shop was able to show him some differences between his and genuine units. I do hope that he's able to get a few pictures of his actual shifters and share them with us.
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Yes, I understand. It sounds like the original poster may have difficulty getting a picture of his actual shifters, so I was offering some context based on my experience with these and comparing that with the pictured shifters so, if he's unable to photograph his, he can at least check them against the picture. It sounds like his local bike shop was able to show him some differences between his and genuine units. I do hope that he's able to get a few pictures of his actual shifters and share them with us.
Yeah, he said his bike is at work, so he will try to get pictures Monday. It sounds pretty clear though that his are knock-offs.
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Guys, as promised I took actual pictures, Paying closer attention now, there are notable differences. The screws from the stock photo are different than mine. I'm looking carefully now and I notice the guy at the bike shop did say my screws look weird. Also there are differences in the sizes of the text etc...






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The same Shimano item part # can be made in several different counties, as they move production around to improve costing I guess, it should also have a year mark, (alphabet code) & country of manufacture.

Here in Asia Shimano parts can be seen Made in - Japan - Singapore - Malaysia - China, maybe other countries, I also have a set of these on one of my spare XC bikes those are made in Malaysia, & work fine.
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I have the same 8 sp shifter/brake levers.
What is suspect to me is the small silver sticker that says 3 speed and 8 speed on each shifter. they are a different shape and not put on straight. Also you gear indicator is not red and the numbers are not as readable.
The set should have come with Shimano cables and cable housing..... housing that says Shimano in gold, slightly embossed letters.
Brake cable adjusters are different.
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I have the same 8 sp shifter/brake levers.
What is suspect to me is the small silver sticker that says 3 speed and 8 speed on each shifter. they are a different shape and not put on straight. Also you gear indicator is not red and the numbers are not as readable.
The set should have come with Shimano cables and cable housing..... housing that says Shimano in gold, slightly embossed letters.
Brake cable adjusters are different.
Yeah, I noticed the stickers, right after my last post. They came with cables, but not with cable housing. The gear indicator "sticker" fell off on one of the shifters, not sure if it's a sticker or a actual red plastic piece in another version. The other thing I see is cable adjustment in the stock photo has a little "line" in it while mines dosen't, so there are variances.

Right now it could be fake or it could be as what others are saying, different quality issues based on countries.
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I'd say those are definitely frauds. The screws are wrong and the silver "speed" stickers are definitely wrong.
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Me too....

Just had a set of these via eBay UK.
Poor castings, plastic guts, and the low lever is marked "high" but in mirrored text.
Suspected fakes, googled and found this thread. Opened a dispute on them.
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Wow people are faking tourney/altus level crap, yeeesh! It is so cheap to begin with why bother faking it? The real article isn't all that great yet someone said "I gotta make a even worse copy" Then again people love their cheap crap to even cheaper and crappier so it makes sense. That is why you buy from your local shop which isn't going to sell you fakes and might even be certified/authorized by Shimano to sell their products and might have mechanics that are S-Tec certified meaning they know what they are doing.
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Wow people are faking tourney/altus level crap, yeeesh! It is so cheap to begin with why bother faking it? The real article isn't all that great yet someone said "I gotta make a even worse copy" Then again people love their cheap crap to even cheaper and crappier so it makes sense. That is why you buy from your local shop which isn't going to sell you fakes and might even be certified/authorized by Shimano to sell their products and might have mechanics that are S-Tec certified meaning they know what they are doing.
These were the EF51 shifters which are pretty good. Yeah I had the same logic, this stuff is cheap anyway so why would anyone fake it. But apparently people do.
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I've been looking at cranks on ebay and noticed lots of cranks that look like copies of Shimano.



$15.12 shipped:

https://www.ebay.com/itm/MTB-Bike-Cr..._jw:rk:28:pf:0

A shady operator could order those unbranded, slap some Shimano (Altus or Acera) stickers on them, then sell them for triple that price. People looking for lower end parts might be less likely to spot fakes than those looking for higher end parts.
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These were the EF51 shifters which are pretty good. Yeah I had the same logic, this stuff is cheap anyway so why would anyone fake it. But apparently people do.
They are a popular OEM spec on cheap bikes and for a while generally function as good as that quality level can. However I wouldn't call them pretty good. Mediocre, sure, cheap, sure, getcha by for a bit, sure.

It would be nice if they, Shimano built a nice high quality thumb shifter that was of XT quality but Altus price which could be done quite easily these days considering thumbies are used a lot less and the technology has been around for a while.Use less plastic and more metal and make something that ups the quality of the shifter (and useability) but doesn't cost a ton then get it as OEM spec for different manufacturers and make everyone happier. Also do the same for derailleurs as well. All they need to do is copy the old Deore/XT derailleurs from the late 80s and early 90s and just crank those suckers out. It is old technology that lasts and isn't crapola.

I would buy an early 90s clone groupset that is similar priced to today's low end blech. They already made the designs and since the technology has gone farther ahead rehashing them for today probably wouldn't be so bad? I would love to be able to sell someone a cheaper bike and not have to see them often for recurring problems with the components or the same problems repeated for a lot of different clients at different shops. Get rid of these nasty cheap plastic parts and go back to good ole' metal.

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