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Old 07-09-18, 12:15 PM
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Purchased rusty pitted axles from Hilary Stone as NOS

Dear friends,
I purchased two NOS Stronglight axles from Hilary Stone. I had read about her store on reviews but I didn't have any experience.
I received the axles in the condition you see in the pictures. They are rusty and also have dents and pitting. I sent email to the seller but I didn't get any answer.
I'm not sure if this condition makes problem. Could you please share your ideas? Thanks!
(I'm not allowed to share Urls until ten posts. Please copy and paste the following links to your browser and click enter. The only way I found to share the pictures. Each three pictures are from one axle)
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Old 07-09-18, 12:34 PM
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First axel... maybe just surface rust. Clean it off and then see.
Second axle.... pits are not on the bearing race.... should be usable. Clean them better and take more pics.
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Old 07-09-18, 12:36 PM
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Go with a scotch brite pad (or emery cloth) over them and some rust remover (or some penetrating oil, even wd-40 will work).
Asses if there are any gouges of any kind on the bearing surface. If not you are clear to go.
I only see a problem if there are gouges after cleaning in the second and third image. The race is the curved section on the outside. The balls mesh on a tiny surface and if that is clear of flaws is perfect.
It's normal to rust if not protected.. and the factory grease is long gone.. but it might be only surface rust in non critical areas that might not change any dimensions to generate problems.
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Pitted and rusty is not new old stock. If they were priced that way then a partial refund is called for if you want to keep them.
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Old 07-09-18, 12:58 PM
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They look perfectly fine to me, if you were to leave them outside in the rain overnight they would look far worse. You have to remember they might have been sitting on a shelf for 30 years! If it bothers you take a bit of vinegar with some light steel wool but it won't effect them either way as usually you put a tiny bit of grease on those spots anyways.
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Old 07-09-18, 01:11 PM
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Thank you guys!
The last picture shows a small gouge on the race. Does it make any problem after a while?
I paid $50 for them. Now I think too much...
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Last picture is not on the race.
Take a close look on the shiny bands to see where the race is.
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How about going back to the source, rather than moaning on a forum, where you haven't even been on long to have enough to post photos.
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Originally Posted by jimc101 View Post
How about going back to the source, rather than moaning on a forum, where you haven't even been on long to have enough to post photos.
Am I moaning? I asked the seller first but no answer. They probably know what they did.
I'm asking experienced people if the axles are usable or not. If you have any opinion about that welcome!
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Last picture is not on the race.
Take a close look on the shiny bands to see where the race is.
Thank you!
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Hard to say. I'd be a bit perturbed by the rust. Did you get photos of the actual items before sale? Notes about the condition?

Nonetheless, I have started polishing all my cones before installation. For hubs, I chuck up an axle + cone + locknut into a small drill press, and spin it and sand with light sanding paper (200 to 600 grit, oil for last bit). I picked up some broken axles from the local coop for just that purpose.

I've similarly worked bottom bracket spindles that way using a lathe. One won't really know what you have until you polish it (which may give a better than new finish).

As mentioned above, there are different parts of the bottom bracket spindle. The seat for the cranks, the place for the seals, and the actual curved part where the bearings run. I'd be most concerned about only that final curved area where the bearings rest. Most of the bad spots you've photographed won't be where the bearings run.
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Am I moaning? I asked the seller first but no answer. They probably know what they did.
I'm asking experienced people if the axles are usable or not. If you have any opinion about that welcome!
Most used things can be made useable. The point here is you paid a premium for items that should be old stock from a dealer in like new condition You did not get that.
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The spindle in the photo (post #7 ) does not look like NOS to me. There definitely was a crank installed.
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How about going back to the source, rather than moaning on a forum, where you haven't even been on long to have enough to post photos.
Agreed. (although I wouldn't call it moaning necessarily) OP mentioned he emailed them but I find it's not uncommon for emails to get slow or no response from many companies. In this case give them a phone call and see what they say. Not sticking up for Hillary Stone as I've never heard of them until this post but just passing on some practical advice. They may end up bending over backwards to correct this for you. Mistakes can be made by almost every company.
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My impression from the pics is that the spindles have never been on a bike, because they don't show the typical wear on the bearing surface and the tapers.
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The spindle in the photo (post #7 ) does not look like NOS to me. There definitely was a crank installed.
The spindle in question is in the first links provided by OP. The one in post #7 is something i found on the net just to illustrate the exact location of raceways to inspect carefully in that area on his spindle.
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OP,
I have bought many NOS parts when restoring cars and NOS does not mean perfect by any stretch of the imagination...after years of storage there may well be shelve wear.
Nicks and rust are almost always present if the parts have not been used they can be called NOS if not installed or used. As others have suggested I would try to clean them to be sure that they are functional (new) and if not or if they have been used send them back and file a dispute with your credit card company..that is what I would do if in your position.
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I have bought many NOS parts when restoring cars and NOS does not mean perfect by any stretch of the imagination...after years of storage there may well be shelve wear.
Nicks and rust are almost always present if the parts have not been used they can be called NOS if not installed or used. As others have suggested I would try to clean them to be sure that they are functional (new) and if not or if they have been used send them back and file a dispute with your credit card company..that is what I would do if in your position.
Best of Luck, Ben
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I think those looks like NOS stuff that has been sitting around 30 or 40 years and it looks exactly as I'd expect to. Most of the rust and stuff will come off with a brass brush or a bit of sanding. I wouldn't worry too much about any of it if you've bought them to use. I guess if you bought them under the impression they'd be shiny and display-worthy I guess you might be right to be upset but I don't assume NOS items to be like that unless I can see it in photos.
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