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Old 09-26-18, 02:38 PM
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Rim tape appears to have moved back in place on its own (when stored off bike)

PLEASE: If you don't have anything else better to do with your time but make pointless, trolling posts, save yourself and myself time and carry on. Do you know if it's possible, or even more helpful, do you know based on experience or from hearing other people share it with you, for this to happen:

(1) I found a source of a tube puncture, essentially rim-side, and there was a wheel spoke hole exposed, from lifted rim tape. I thought "Oh, good, I'll just show the bike shop that their work didn't hold up and they'll cover the cost of a new tube." (2) Approximately 4-5 days later, looking @ the rim tape, tape appears to be relatively covering the area of interest on wheel, where there was a tube puncture (perhaps not perfectly..I'm not sure) but the rim tape is NO LONGER obviously undone like it had been.

I'm not overly worried but...for various reasons I'm hoping they'll still cover it, I’ve spent plenty of $ related to flats lately..a trend of spending this $ and being w/ out a working bike is becoming a bit tiring and not easy on the wallet, especially if this continues. Tubes from bike shops are actually not that cheap and they start to add up.

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No obvious holes like there was previously on 9-22-18 when I checked the rim tape.


See second post for related notes.

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Old 09-26-18, 02:40 PM
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Weather: Not sure about you all, but we have had some very up and down weather in Michigan. Some days have been relatively higher humidity for September. Not sure if that was a factor.

Someone touched it?: Not likely, but apparently someone was over yesterday this person noticed my bicycle wheel’s spokes (wheel being in basement) being different from his bike. Being the curious type, he apparently counted the spokes. Did he touch the tape, thinking he was doing me a favor--I just doubt it either way, either intentionally doing it or just incidentally but he is a helpful type of person so I just wouldn't rule it out. I'll have to follow up and just double check on this front.

I'm sure it's very possible the tape could have moved on its own, but to have moved as much as it did seems kind of odd. It probably moved a good 1-1.5 mm or even more, laterally, at the point of interest (that corresponded with the tube puncture).

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Everybody has a worry basket in their mind and we keep it full all the time.

If you have room in your worry basket for problems like this, consider yourself blessed.
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I'd probably replace the tape, throw in a new tube, and ride on.
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Originally Posted by Retro Grouch View Post
Everybody has a worry basket in their mind and we keep it full all the time.

If you have room in your worry basket for problems like this, consider yourself blessed.
I can see why you have almost 30,000 posts. Most of them are probably useless. Blocked!
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Originally Posted by Slightspeed View Post
I'd probably replace the tape, throw in a new tube, and ride on.
Yeah...I'm past the "I'm not going to worry about it too much" phase and in the "I'm starting to lose it...(my mind and $) phase"

I paid someone to replace the tube back in early September or so. He reapplied the tape. It didn't hold and caused rim-side puncture. He covered the cost of a new tube and to install it and installed new tape. I received yet another flat not long after that. Took it to a different shop. He reapplied the same tape as it had not come too undone and yet the tape came undone (and then mysteriously back onto the wheel).
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Try adhesive-backed tape like Velox or similar.
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Originally Posted by JanMM View Post
Try adhesive-backed tape like Velox or similar.
Thanks for the advice. I was planning on doing that...but...I'm basically just trying to figure out why the rim tape didn't remain in its last/past position and hopefully they'll still cover the price of a tube..I'm not rich here and I keep spending $ on this ****e. One reason why I'm frustrated at this point is that in my latest experience with a bike shop, I thought I made it clear that if there's a good enough reason to change the rim tape, then JUST DO IT! Use a higher quality rim tape. I need to just put stuff in writing from now on if it's not incredibly straight forward. I could have sworn I asked the mechanic if he changed the rim tape when I picked it up. I thought he said yes. Perhaps he misinterpreted me and thought if I simply was asking if he put rim tape on the wheel.

I misread the receipt and thought the charges included such. It literally looks like a style of receipt from the 1980's. Possibly even the 1880's . It just has basic listings like "labor" or "item" and a price..no specific items listed. They really had a chance to win a new customer and blew it. Not sure I'm too likely to go there for my maintenance in the future. Oh well...learn a lesson or two and move on. Hopefully it's the rim tape.
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Dave- Rim tape is not a black and white thing. It can shift about within the rim, both with bad and good results sometimes. Sometimes from the tire's mounting, sometimes from mere riding forces. The plastic rim strips are great as long as they stay put. But with no glued backing they will move about. At times their edges can abrade the tube even with proper positioning. Cloth strips like the classic (and after decades one might wonder why Velox still is so often suggested, surely modern engineers can do better) Velox stay put for a long time. But They too can age and their edges curl up. But with periodic maintenance the Velox strips will be replaced before this happens. Rim strips, like tubes and tires, are a wear item.

Now to your opening request for posters to only help you. Sorry but this isn't the way the world or this medium works. Those who want to see their voice, regardless of the content, will speak up anyway. Andy
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Originally Posted by DTownDave22 View Post
Thanks for the advice. I was planning on doing that...but...I'm basically just trying to figure out why the rim tape didn't remain in its last/past position...
Adhesive-backed tape will help. I've used Gorilla Tape before. Here's a video from Park Tools that shows how it's applied:


Start at the 1:13 mark. Calvin actually ends up using Gorilla Tape in the video. Easy to do at home.

As to why your tape moved, it could be that the tension finally overcame the friction, and the tape slid back into place. Temperature change. A bump. Humidity change. Any little thing could probably trigger that slight movement of the tape back into its intended position. You'll never know for 100% certain, and it's probably a better use of time and energy to just put on some adhesive-backed tape and solve the problem that way.

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Also, learn how to patch a tube, it is a lot cheaper than having a bike shop replace one.

So you are saying you got a flat from the rim tape slipping, had it fixed and replaced the tape, and then got another? That sounds highly unlikely.

I used Velox tape in my commuter bike wheels, and found that the tape slipped in both wheels over 5 years time anyway, probably from fixing the occasional flat. Since my tires needed replacing I also replaced the tape, this time with narrower Velox tape that fit the channel better so a tube wouldn't catch on it during installation. Cloth tape with adhesive is probably the best bet.
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I've read quite a few reports of people's tape shifting just slightly. Some have concluded that the tape shifted with pressure, or that machining burrs at the spoke holes caused their woes.

I don't think I've had those problems, although I've had other tape failures including developing divots into the spoke holes leading to stress on the tube.

Your Giant tape looks like a good woven design. Is it cloth or plastic? It might be able to be 1mm or so wider, but it looks like it should fill the rim from side to side, and still have adequate material covering the actual spoke holes.

When the tire was installed, did the rim tape climb up the side of the rim into the bead area? That would seem like more of a tire installation issue than an actual tape failure. Perhaps the tape slides too easily.

I suppose I've seen tape that appeared creased or folded, and check it carefully before installing the tire.

One option when installing the tire is once it is on the rim, quickly go around the rim pushing the tire inward and verifying the rim tape is visible and even. While this can check your tape, it also gives you an opportunity to verify you haven't impinged your tube.

As far as the tube damage. I now refuse to pay full LBS shop prices for tubes (was charged $8 per tube once). I now find my tubes online for $1 to $2 each.

I do all my tire and tube, and wheel installs. Even if I would buy a tire, or tube at a LBS, I would install it myself. Make a mistake, and nobody to blame but myself.
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